United thread 2020/21

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LongsightM13 said:
Another video now mate

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Is that not just the munich tunnel? normally public access through there and the munich flame memorial is located half way down.
This doesn't enable access into the ground, although I could be wrong with the location

Looking again does that stand on the opposite sides have a tunnel too? Think it does
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
There’s a video showing a door being kicked in with no security around and shit loads of them getting in.

(I can’t find the video though)
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Yeah the fat drunk with the arse crack who was later throwing a tripod about and stumbling about trying to find his shoe. And then first bumping with Gary fucking Neville.
Couldnt even boot the door in til a feral little ginger rat showed him how to do it in one.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
How many times does this need to be said? Over and over apparently, because no rag seems to understand. Or they do, they're just in denial.

I love to look at this from a business management point of view because I think it answers all the questions, and makes predicting the future easier.

Ferguson was an autocrat, a megalomaniac who listed "Never, Ever Cede Control" as one of the eight important tenets for successful businesspeople in his book and his interviews at Harvard Business School. That HBS would be so blind as not to see what a warning sign this ought to be about organizational development is quite "Harvard" of them culturally.

Look here: https://hbr.org/2013/10/fergusons-formula

The problem is that when you're a megalomaniac, you aren't interested in what happens to the organization after you leave, because the organization was just a means to an end to satisfy your own ambition. You don't think nor care about succession, because what comes after you is a win-win for you. If an organization is successful after you, it's because you put the organization in a place to succeed. If it fails, well, it's because you aren't there anymore.

The Glazers were delighted to cede control to Ferguson when they bought the club, because they don't know dick about football. But they also weren't likely to cede control to anyone else because owners inherently don't like to cede control. They couldn't replace Ferguson in part because he was irreplaceable, but also because they simply weren't going to give up decision-making authority to one person ever again. And so, you've had cycle of managers, a cycle of players, dithering about over a Director of Football, none of which has worked to re-achieve past success. Then you had the next logical step -- an attempt to buy your way out of a tailspin, and then an attempt to merge your way out through a "transformative acquisition" (i.e. the Super League). Let's also add in the "exogenous shock" -- in this case, the pandemic -- which if you're not prepared also hastens failure. There's also the inevitable "turn to new markets" to offset a decline in a core market -- in this case, "legacy fans" are traded away for new international ones.

All these events, processes and steps are detailed in many forms using examples of other failed businesses in Jim Collins' "How The Mighty Fall" (the counter to his very famous classic "Good to Great").

Now what? Now their customers are in revolt due to the perception of a product they consume to which they've been brand loyal but for whom the quality is slowly declining. Under normal circumstances, the customers would stop spending money on the product and turn to another brand. But customers in football are very, very, very sticky. That's what can save them. Thus you get a revolt instead of the more logical boycott or a slower drift-away of the customer base.

So what's next? Simple: they need to win. The problem is winning costs money, and competitors want to keep you from winning. Their closest competitor -- venture capital funded vs. debt-funded -- is knocking their teeth out. The longer their return to the top is postponed, the more the children of legacy fans -- Utd's next customers -- are going to turn away, and turn bluer. So is the international fan base they were expecting. Not right away, but inevitably and inexorably.

I've said it a million times -- there is no United way, and there never was. There was a Ferguson way. He's now a near-statue. Everything that has happened since he retired has been logical and perfectly predictable, and many of us predicted it, not because we know a lot about football, but because we understand how organizations function at the highest level, and Ferguson laid it all out for us if there was any doubt. Jim Collins charts the path forward.

In my opinion, that path has a big sign by the side of it.

It reads "You're Fucked."
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Their counter to your explanation as what happens in other sectors is that their way is the only way because football is a special case.

Needless to say Sheikh M. employed ADUG to carry out his version of a normal business plan and has wiped the floor with "football is a special case" despite their fear it would succeed and attempts to stall its progress.

Many thanks for detailing the logic.
 
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