United thread 2020/21

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Imagine if we don’t get the 3 points needed only for the Rags to run out of gas having to play 4 games in 8 days & just falling short, would the thick fckers blame it on fixture congestion.
 
They've lost their new training shirt contract with Hut Group over THG's fears about fan repercussions over the Glazers/ESL. £200m they've lost and got to find a replacement for before July.


This is madness. Who is going to buy that club knowing that if they don't win all the time, their fans will simply threaten the sponsors, club and the owners with a boycott ? It's the equivalent of a fan-owned club and mob rule.

They may brag about the number of fans they have and how great fan-power is but it's a double-edged sword being wielded by the type of low-life scrotes we saw in action on Sunday.
 
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The rags debt is theirs not the Glazers. I'm sure they will be happy to keep taking the dividend and consulting fees till they're old men. The fans are just banging nails into the rag's coffin.
It's great.
 
They've lost their new training shirt contract with Hut Group over THG's fears about fan repercussions over the Glazers/ESL. £200m they've lost and got to find a replacement for before July.

That's a worry, if the cash pot starts to dry up UMS will be looking at selling.
 
The rags debt is theirs not the Glazers. I'm sure they will be happy to keep taking the dividend and consulting fees till they're old men. The fans are just banging nails into the rag's coffin.
It's great.
Indeed.

the whole ‘glazers out’ campaign seems to mentally bypass the United held debt. Not glazer held, United held.
There is no financial reason (for the glazers) for the glazers to sell.

the glazers could fold the club and themselves ‘lose’ hardly any money.

They lose the ‘potential’ profit (after debts, fees etc) of a buyout, but these fan actions just makes the club as a takeover target less and less attractive - brand related toxicity. Or opens up the club to some vampire squid investor , as the valuation falls, but has assets that can squeezed

The anti sponsor campaign is just accelerating the downward slope of the club valuation.

and who, as a profit driven buyer, would want to buy, with the knowledge that they would need to spend a large fortune on players, stadium, infrastructure , with no chance of profits for a very long time… unless it’s a like for like owner - ie dividends with no investment … and likely cost cutting.

If it’s not a profit driven investor, then you’re left with a plaything buyer, like Chelsea. But it’s a whole new level of buying, compared to what Roman bought Chelsea for. And it’s not ‘dead’ money buying the massive debt in Chelsea case.

‘Sportswashing state’ investor - nowt to do with ‘sportswashing’, just looking for profit from investing in diversified business that isn’t energy based - you’d think they would want to protect their ‘brand’ image though (as with any investor) so the fan backlash is making that less likely as well.
 
The rags debt is theirs not the Glazers. I'm sure they will be happy to keep taking the dividend and consulting fees till they're old men. The fans are just banging nails into the rag's coffin.
It's great.
In the world of corporate finance many debt structures have change of ownership clauses where the debt has to be cleared before a sale (or its gets called in). Any new buyer has to either:

1 Load on the same level of debt again through new providers (difficult and expensive) or
2 Pay hard cash to clear any such debt.
3 Either 1 or 2 plus the payment to the Glazers covering their share ownership (+ the non voting shares listed on the US exchange).

So its a tall order to shift the Glazers as they will want and expect 3 to be a significant sum given how much of a cash cow it is. The idea that some wealthy benefactor will step in and cover the costs of ousting the glazers and effectively hand over control to the fans is farcical.
 
You have to just laugh at the Rags with their view on the Glazers ownership, they seem convinced there is someone out there who is willing to meet the Glazers asking price rumoured to be £5 billion. They are now citing the guy who owns Spotify who may be prepared to pay just under £2 billion as an example of people still willing to invest.

They are not factoring in that Arsenal have a state of the art Stadium rather than a Meccano set, they are based in London rather than in downtown Trafford. There fans have seen a decline in their status over the last 10 years but have never broken into the ground and assaulted the police in order to postpone a game, because they are sat in 2nd place and in the semi final of the Europa League and splashing cash out for the Likes of Pogba and Slabhead. Any owner buying either club would be expected by the fans to invest heavily on top of this initial outlay and in the Rags case it appears they resent an owner taking any dividend on their investment.

Considering Arsenal are potentially £3 billion cheaper to buy and have no debt to service and no major stadium renovation to factor in then it is clear why they are the more attractive option.

As a club they are now eating themselves.
 
You have to just laugh at the Rags with their view on the Glazers ownership, they seem convinced there is someone out there who is willing to meet the Glazers asking price rumoured to be £5 billion. They are now citing the guy who owns Spotify who may be prepared to pay just under £2 billion as an example of people still willing to invest.

They are not factoring in that Arsenal have a state of the art Stadium rather than a Meccano set, they are based in London rather than in downtown Trafford. There fans have seen a decline in their status over the last 10 years but have never broken into the ground and assaulted the police in order to postpone a game, because they are sat in 2nd place and in the semi final of the Europa League and splashing cash out for the Likes of Pogba and Slabhead. Any owner buying either club would be expected by the fans to invest heavily on top of this initial outlay and in the Rags case it appears they resent an owner taking any dividend on their investment.

Considering Arsenal are potentially £3 billion cheaper to buy and have no debt to service and no major stadium renovation to factor in then it is clear why they are the more attractive option.

As a club they are now eating themselves.
The irony is that their thuggish and self-entitled fan base has probably helped to make a sale harder, by putting off potential buyers.
 
The irony is that their thuggish and self-entitled fan base has probably helped to make a sale harder, by putting off potential buyers.
Exactly, for starters any buyer who is even considering a leveraged buy out will not be accepted by the fans and so will be out of the equation.
 
They've lost their new training shirt contract with Hut Group over THG's fears about fan repercussions over the Glazers/ESL. £200m they've lost and got to find a replacement for before July.


call me cynical that for me is a plant to weed out a sponsor who willing to pay anything above 100m!
 
What company would pay £200m to be the official training ground partner that gets very little exposure?
I appreciate the rags now have 1.1billion fans (I know that because the company the rags paid a lot of money to tell the rags what they wanted to hear said so) but any company would probably get way more value for money and exposure paying way less to be on another teams actual PL shirt
 
You have to just laugh at the Rags with their view on the Glazers ownership, they seem convinced there is someone out there who is willing to meet the Glazers asking price rumoured to be £5 billion. They are now citing the guy who owns Spotify who may be prepared to pay just under £2 billion as an example of people still willing to invest.

They are not factoring in that Arsenal have a state of the art Stadium rather than a Meccano set, they are based in London rather than in downtown Trafford. There fans have seen a decline in their status over the last 10 years but have never broken into the ground and assaulted the police in order to postpone a game, because they are sat in 2nd place and in the semi final of the Europa League and splashing cash out for the Likes of Pogba and Slabhead. Any owner buying either club would be expected by the fans to invest heavily on top of this initial outlay and in the Rags case it appears they resent an owner taking any dividend on their investment.

Considering Arsenal are potentially £3 billion cheaper to buy and have no debt to service and no major stadium renovation to factor in then it is clear why they are the more attractive option.

As a club they are now eating themselves.

I've seen the pictures of the Glazers, factor in the pisscan, ticket tout and that guy who had a mirror on his shoe to aid looking under toilet doors and you have a good selection of over 65's to choose from..

Get one of them to pop into B&Q in Trafford Park on pensioner's day to snap up a few tins of rust remover and exterior paint..

Phil the face is doing fcuk all at the moment, get him to work ..

It can only add to their value and will go a long way in attracting a suitable potential buyer..!

All sorted for £19.75..
 
Exactly, for starters any buyer who is even considering a leveraged buy out will not be accepted by the fans and so will be out of the equation.
Would be funny if the glazers said OK you win we will sell up then sold to someone else to do a leveraged buy out and they ended up in 5x as much debt as they are at the moment.

Alternatively, would it be possible for the glazers to 'remortgage' the club and give themselves a huge payout and increase the club debt?
 
Apparently from a #TopRed my brother knows they are planning to get Thursday’s game called off again which was always the endgame last Sunday. Meeting at 4pm. If they can’t get into the stadium like last weekend then their back up plan is to hijack the Sky Sports trucks and cut the fibre optic cables to prevent TV broadcast
 
So when rag fans say the europa league is a major trophy, ask them why have they never won the Sherpa van/ freight rover trophy
 
Apparently from a #TopRed my brother knows they are planning to get Thursday’s game called off again which was always the endgame last Sunday. Meeting at 4pm. If they can’t get into the stadium like last weekend then their back up plan is to hijack the Sky Sports trucks and cut the fibre optic cables to prevent TV broadcast
Hopefully they try to cut the cables and blow themselves up
 
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