Dont be silly, you are comparing a country of 5m people in Norway with a country of 67m in the UK. Just not comparable im affraid.
You make a very true point about the oil money, and this is the reason I think an independent Scotland should be allowed to walk away from the UK debt free. This does not however address the fact that the Scottish economy presently runs at a defecit somewhere north of 9%. Your vision of a ' Scotland awash with small businesses and progressive industry' will take time to establish, so EU membership (support) will be needed unless oil prices do bounce back, or Scotland will be another Poland, or even Greece.OK firstly, that is wildly not true. Maybe it looks that way in a formula designed specifically to look way. But when Scottiah resource and produce is hitting the coffers of companies registered in London, then I absolutely must reject your claim.
As for the oil decommissioning, so you should. Norway has a 3 trillion oil fund, yet exported less since 1970 than Scotland has. Where then, is Scotlands 3 trillion in oil revenue? Let me tell you. When Thatcher killed the mining industry along with many others, it was that money that funded the entire London financial services industry.
So I'm sorry, don't try and tell me as a Scotsman, we are taking handouts. We never have, we never will and to say as much is as Ill-informed as it is ridiculous. I would much rather see Scotland awash with small businesses and progressive industry than large corporations avoiding their taxes and giving Tories backhanders while keeping working classes families scrapping from month to month.
Maybe England should have a referendum to break free from the sweatsYou make a very true point about the oil money, and this is the reason I think an independent Scotland should be allowed to walk away from the UK debt free. This does not however address the fact that the Scottish economy presently runs at a defecit somewhere north of 9%. Your vision of a ' Scotland awash with small businesses and progressive industry' will take time to establish, so EU membership (support) will be needed unless oil prices do bounce back, or Scotland will be another Poland, or even Greece.
There is actually some suggestion the at if the English had voted in the last referendum they would already be independent. We've had quite a lot of Scottish politicians ruling us over the last few decades which they are more than welcome to repatriate!Maybe England should have a referendum to break free from the sweats
Get em ootThere is actually some suggestion the at if the English had voted in the last referendum they would already be independent. We've had quite a lot of Scottish politicians ruling us over the last few decades which they are more than welcome to repatriate!
10/10.OK firstly, that is wildly not true. Maybe it looks that way in a formula designed specifically to look way. But when Scottiah resource and produce is hitting the coffers of companies registered in London, then I absolutely must reject your claim.
As for the oil decommissioning, so you should. Norway has a 3 trillion oil fund, yet exported less since 1970 than Scotland has. Where then, is Scotlands 3 trillion in oil revenue? Let me tell you. When Thatcher killed the mining industry along with many others, it was that money that funded the entire London financial services industry.
So I'm sorry, don't try and tell me as a Scotsman, we are taking handouts. We never have, we never will and to say as much is as Ill-informed as it is ridiculous. I would much rather see Scotland awash with small businesses and progressive industry than large corporations avoiding their taxes and giving Tories backhanders while keeping working classes families scrapping from month to month.
The treatment of oil By the two countries is valid irrespective of size. One of those countries invested for the future, the other pissed the largesse against the wall.Dont be silly, you are comparing a country of 5m people in Norway with a country of 67m in the UK. Just not comparable im affraid.
well at least we will have voted for it rather than being governed by a Tory party that hasn’t won any election in Scotland for over half a century.And when it goes wrong you will be led by just the SNP with no other effective option on the ballot paper. That is a poor thought by anyones standard.
There is actually some suggestion the at if the English had voted in the last referendum they would already be independent. We've had quite a lot of Scottish politicians ruling us over the last few decades which they are more than welcome to repatriate!
The worrying thing for me is that with the collapse of Labour in Scotland I wonder if even the 22yrs of Labour govt we had in the 20th Century can be replicated in the 21st. We (England) are now a one party state :-(well at least we will have voted for it rather than being governed by a Tory party that hasn’t won any election in Scotland for over half a century.
But it won’t go ‘wrong’ it will be difficult and have bumps but there is no reason why we shouldn’t ’prosper mightily’. And I would fully expect that there will be Scottish political parties of all hue to vote for. You see you make the mistake of believing that the SNP = independence. It doesn’t. Independence is what many in Scotland wish for. The SNP is simply a vehicle to achieve it.
Indeed. And what a party :-(The worrying thing for me is that with the collapse of Labour in Scotland I wonder if even the 22yrs of Labour govt we had in the 20th Century can be replicated in the 21st. We (England) are now a one party state :-(
You make a very true point about the oil money, and this is the reason I think an independent Scotland should be allowed to walk away from the UK debt free. This does not however address the fact that the Scottish economy presently runs at a defecit somewhere north of 9%. Your vision of a ' Scotland awash with small businesses and progressive industry' will take time to establish, so EU membership (support) will be needed unless oil prices do bounce back, or Scotland will be another Poland, or even Greece.
You have been governed by the party that won the UK elections a country that you are part of with one in four Scottish voters happy with the winner. This old moan that you didnt vote for them is getting very tired. Surely you dont need to be reminded that its what happens in democatic societies, we dont always get what we want individually.well at least we will have voted for it rather than being governed by a Tory party that hasn’t won any election in Scotland for over half a century.
But it won’t go ‘wrong’ it will be difficult and have bumps but there is no reason why we shouldn’t ’prosper mightily’. And I would fully expect that there will be Scottish political parties of all hue to vote for. You see you make the mistake of believing that the SNP = independence. It doesn’t. Independence is what many in Scotland wish for. The SNP is simply a vehicle to achieve it.
Its a union of consent mate not a dictatorship. If the majority of people in Scotland want to break from the Union then thats exactly what should happen. Not sure how you can argue against that. That is democracy too.You have been governed by the party that won the UK elections a country that you are part of with one in four Scottish voters happy with the winner. This old moan that you didnt vote for them is getting very tired. Surely you dont need to be reminded that its what happens in democatic societies, we dont always get what we want individually.
The purpose of independence is to tailor our economy to Scotland and her resources and industries. We then don't pay towards massive costs such as trident and can strike trade deals based on our key resources, meaning we get better prices for what we export, rather than what the UK deems relevant. The Tories selling fishing rights in Scottish waters being a perfect example, then bizarrely blaming Europe.
I absolutely agree however the first years will be hard and we will take the brunt of that. Dock improvement for exports, funding all of our own road improvements, costs to set up federal banks and government departments that have traditionally been at WM.
Its a union of consent mate not a dictatorship. If the majority of people in Scotland want to break from the Union then thats exactly what should happen. Not sure how you can argue against that. That is democracy too.
You have been governed by the party that won the UK elections a country that you are part of with one in four Scottish voters happy with the winner. This old moan that you didnt vote for them is getting very tired. Surely you dont need to be reminded that its what happens in democatic societies, we dont always get what we want individually.
As soon as they stop receiving profits from Scotland and instead these profits go to; for example, Glasgow, there is an instant shift to that 9%.
You have been governed by the party that won the UK elections a country that you are part of with one in four Scottish voters happy with the winner. This old moan that you didnt vote for them is getting very tired. Surely you dont need to be reminded that its what happens in democatic societies, we dont always get what we want individually.
So let me get this straight. 75% of us never vote for Tories since 1955, but we have to suck it up? A party that is alien to us in every regard, apart from that 25%, who actually get the people they want. Now we have probably the most inept, corrupt shower of bastards ever to hold power, and that's in a strong field of many other Tory regimes. We have the absolute right to say, if the rest of you are happy to be shafted and taken for fools, crack on, but we have had enough. And we have had enough. If anyone is in a partnership, relationship, or union, that isn't working, that's main partner is an anathema to everything we believe, you don't keep it. There is always anxiety at breakups, but you know it needs to happen. People get cold feet sometimes and that may well happen again, but, we need to do it, but more important than that is we absolutely have the right to say fuck this. We have said that, so after we sort out the CD collection, argue over the dog, put the house on the market, we are hopefully off, but off in a way that tries to accommodate each party and hopefully, we both go on to be happier and still pals who look out for each other. England has chosen a path we can't walk on. That is your right, but not walking on it, is ours.You have been governed by the party that won the UK elections a country that you are part of with one in four Scottish voters happy with the winner. This old moan that you didnt vote for them is getting very tired. Surely you dont need to be reminded that its what happens in democatic societies, we dont always get what we want individually.