Coronavirus (2021) thread

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blueparrot said:
Most people around here ,in the Borders, in their 40s have got theirs, seem to be doingabout 40-42 this week.Just looked on travellingabby,say 59% of those in their 40s done.so lower 40 sounds about right.
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Maybe just this health board then or a central belt issue. I'd have have thought family around 47,48 would have had a call by now. We seem to be operating at under half the level of first doses around the country than we were in late March and just under half the second doses as we were in mid/late April.

Not a criticism btw. I realise the rollout has generally been exceptional, just hoped to see a bit of an acceleration as we reopen I suppose.
 
twosips said:
Yeah, they've already said so
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The way I see it is this. If they're opening up further on Monday as planned, they can't be that worried about it at this stage because for me the opening of indoor hospitality was always going to be a key moment as to what might happen with case numbers. I'm guessing it's more a case of keeping an eye on things in the coming weeks. If cases don't rise exponentially with so many restrictions now eased come Monday, and more importantly there isn't a significant increase in serious cases and deaths then it might still be full steam ahead on 21st June.
 
johnnymarrsbarres said:
I kind of agree. And what happened to everyone coming into the country having to quarantine in a hotel for two weeks at their own expense? Was that fucked off? It'd soon stop people jibbing over.
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It's still applicable for anyone returning from a 'red' country.
You can avoid this by spending 10 days in a non-red country before arrival into the UK (Government own rules)

Turkey - 10 days Portugal - England would mean no hotel isolation (and no isolation at all from 17th May)
 
BlueAnorak said:
Many cases from India have come into the UK via Turkey due to cheating Covidiots. Why is that the fault of the Government?
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People following the rules set out by the Government.
So you can blame the people for following said rules, or you can blame the Government for allowing it.

I know where my finger of blame points.

(also India should've received red status way sooner than it did, along with Turkey, again the Government being way too reactive rather than proactive)
 
M18CTID said:
The way I see it is this. If they're opening up further on Monday as planned, they can't be that worried about it at this stage because for me the opening of indoor hospitality was always going to be a key moment as to what might happen with case numbers. I'm guessing it's more a case of keeping an eye on things in the coming weeks. If cases don't rise exponentially with so many restrictions now eased come Monday, and more importantly there isn't a significant increase in serious cases and deaths then it might still be full steam ahead on 21st June.
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Agree. And opening up indoor hospitality last July when we had similarly low levels of infection had very little effect on case rates even though table service and masks didn't feature till 2 months later.
 
M18CTID said:
The way I see it is this. If they're opening up further on Monday as planned, they can't be that worried about it at this stage
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I think I would disagree with this. Quite strongly!

The govt repeatedly ignored scientific advice through the second wave. It's entirely possible they're doing so again now, and acting on a hope and a prayer.

To take govt action as informative on risk is highly inadvisable, I reckon.

I don't think there is enough in the public domain on current local outbreaks to make any informed judgement on risk. I doubt there is much more privately available. I'd advocate continue with the opening up, but be ready to act very rapidly if the risks rise.

Further delaying 2nd doses to get 1st doses vaxxed quicker
Delaying 21st June opening
Reversing some/all of 17th May

are all options (in that order of preference for me)

We really don't want another big wave now, but we don't know much about how likely it is, or how significantly it will knock on to hospitalisations or deaths.

Hyndburn looks much better, and maybe shows this doesn't have to spread

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But equally, there is growing evidence of the transmissibility of the "india variant"

the extremeley clear patterns we see in both the Indian GISAID data and in the UK Sanger Institute sequence data could be explained by anything else than a clear selective advantage of the Indian subvariant B.1.617.2 over other variants...

 
ayrshire_blue said:
@roubaixtuesday Just to clarify do you mean further delaying the 2nd dose beyond 12 weeks?
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Yes. I think that would be better than re-imposing restrictions or delaying their lifting.

Of course, that's just a personal opinion.

What we would be trying to avoid is a further wave; second doses do little to prevent general transmission, but first doses make a massive difference.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Yes. I think that would be better than re-imposing restrictions or delaying their lifting.

Of course, that's just a personal opinion.

What we would be trying to avoid is a further wave; second doses do little to prevent general transmission, but first doses make a massive difference.
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Gotcha, thanks.
 
Starting to feel anxious about the Indian variant and rising infections (I’m a school teacher in Bolton).

I’ve heard rumours about people going to local vaccination centres at the end of the day and being given the leftover vaccines.

Has anyone actually tried/accomplished this?

I’m 26 so can’t see myself getting the vaccine anytime soon and I wouldn’t want to jump the queue, but I’m hearing these vaccines are being thrown away if unused.
 
DonnyCityLove said:
Starting to feel anxious about the Indian variant and rising infections (I’m a school teacher in Bolton).

I’ve heard rumours about people going to local vaccination centres at the end of the day and being given the leftover vaccines.

Has anyone actually tried/accomplished this?

I’m 26 so can’t see myself getting the vaccine anytime soon and I wouldn’t want to jump the queue, but I’m hearing these vaccines are being thrown away if unused.
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Can't be easy being a teacher through this, especially in Bolton at the moment. My mum works in a school in Oldham -in her 6os so I was understandably mega worried but she's fine and had both jabs now thankfully.

The leftover vaccine walk-in centres are definitely a thing. There was a popup one behind the Lidl in Longsight (sounds great doesn't it) recently and yesterday there was one at the Irish Centre in Cheetham Hill. Sadly there doesn't seem to be much in the way of a centralised place to get information on there. I found out about both via Manchester City Council's Twitter feed, just in time to miss out...
 
Even if there was a further wave of infections, why prolong any lifting of restrictions when just about all venerable have been vaccinated?
As for SAGE as well as we have done in this country with the roll out , I don’t think they are relevant anymore, sounds to me they are keeping themselves in a job .
 
Right move too. Good to see some urgency over the avoidable mess that is Bolton.

Such a shame that a football forum was more concerned about a rise in cases in Bolton 2 weeks ago whilst those in control were either unaware or letting it become much less stoppable. But then I thought that too in August when GM ended up in restrictions for months via Bolton - so not as if there was no precedent - and the BBC just now hinted GM may yet see a local lockdown soon.

I feel quite depressed and wonder if I could have done anything to warn people. But I just did not - still cannot - believe we saw it and those who could act did not.

But seeing the risk they took with the entire country just to retain good favour of a fed up public is very worrying.

I really hope this comes to nought and we can stem the tide.

But if we have to delay further unlocking we must. And people should complain to those whose fault it is.

You reap the reward if things go well (and this still might end up doing so) and you pay the price if you make the wrong move.

The jury is out but as I have pointed out a few days ago the young are the ones catching this in Bolton right now. So far most are not getting sick. But 10% of 1000 is the same as 50% of 200. That sum needs to be remembered as to where this might lead.

So I think this focus on the young in Bolton asap is probably now urgent.

And the delay getting there might have put other places at risk too which need urgent identification.
 
antspider said:
Even if there was a further wave of infections, why prolong any lifting of restrictions when just about all venerable have been vaccinated?
As for SAGE as well as we have done in this country with the roll out , I don’t think they are relevant anymore, sounds to me they are keeping themselves in a job .
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They have jobs. They were not recruited via the Job Centre
 
Anyway to cheer folk up

England hospital deaths 9 with 2 from NW.

On what is often the biggest day of the week first time in months in single figures.

Last week was 21 with 1 - week before 13 with 2 and week before 22 with 3


The two from the NW both from Salford.

Other regions 3 East, (2 in East Suffolk), 2 NE & Yorkshire, 1 London, 1 Midlands - 0 in SE and SW.

4 of the deaths were aged 40 - 59 btw. (with 1 aged 60 - 79 and 4 aged 80 Plus)
 
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