VAR - 2020/21

[dubblue]

well both sets of fans went mad and the correct decision was reached, or would we rather Chelsea won a final they shouldn't have because they got back in with a dodgy goal?

My point wasn’t based on today’s decision. Would I sacrifice the odd millimetre offside/onside decision taking 3/4 minutes with pixelated lines for a return to a few bad calls a season by the linesman?...definitely.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

I'm quite happy to go back to the old system. It was no less perfect than what we have now. Someone maybe being a foot offside is not a travesty. Someone being three yards offside is a travesty but they are thankfully rare.

A foot offside is still offside. If we were to conceded a goal in the European cup final that was a foot offside, with no VAR, id be suicidal.

 

[John Wayne]

A foot offside is still offside. If we were to conceded a goal in the European cup final that was a foot offside, with no VAR, id be suicidal.

A yard, maybe. A foot, no chance.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

A yard, maybe. A foot, no chance.

I don’t believe you wouldn’t care about an opposition player scoring a goal while being a foot offside. An illegal is always hard to take.

 

[cleavers]

Where should this light be measured?

Everywhere, in all places, if there isn't any somewhere, then it's on side, that is unambiguous.

 

[John Wayne]

I don’t believe you wouldn’t care about an opposition player scoring a goal while being a foot offside. An illegal is always hard to take.

If someone's kneecap or shoulder blade is marginally offside then I would not pretend to feel like a victim. Now that we have VAR and have to deal with such petty minutiae, however, then I'd expect them to get it right.

The point is, I don't believe that the spontaneous moments of joy that football brings is worth sacrificing for such clinical decision-making that may or may not be correct. You can roll it back a frame, the ball is still touching the passer's foot but the shoulder blade is onside.

If someone's shoulder blade or kneecap is offside then I'm big enough to take it on the chin and not wallow in victimhood.

 

[berniethebusman]

Can anyone explain to me why the Leicester goal wasn't chalked off, I was 100% convinced it was gonna be disallowed for handball. I was thinking back to the Mahrez goal against Liverpool where Foden was fouled and it played off his arm resulting in it being disallowed. For 2 seasons now I've been led to believe any touch with the hand/arm, regardless of intent or even physics, that led to a goal would automatically see it chalked off.

 

[crazyg]

Haha, "a foot offside". If you say so. Might have been offside, might have not. That picture has lines on it. It used to be "half a yard" offside and now we're gutted because someone is "a foot" offside. Pre-VAR, if that goal is given then nobody says it's a travesty.

Let's put it into context. The difference between a foot and half a yard is 6 inches, or 15 centimetres.
The frame speed of the current cameras used is around 50fps, which equates to about 13cm per frame at normal running speed. It has been a concern of mine, echoed by many, that it is very easy to "manipulate" the correct frame to use to demonstrate whether a player is onside or offside. I have always maintained that, to get around this, high speed cameras should be used at every ground using VAR of at least 1000fps, which should take away most of the guesswork (which (I hope) is what it is) out of the equation. An extra frame or two at that speed won't make much difference to the view.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

The sad thing about VAR offsides for me is that it takes humans out of officiating and replaces it with inaccurate tech. Is that better?

Let the ref look at replays for 60 seconds or so and if he thinks it is on or off then so be it. if he can’t tell whether his on field decision was wrong then stay with that.

I’d do away with Slow mo on fouls too. Let them see replays of the incidents at real time speed.
it’s a sport not a computer game

The only thing slo mo does for fouls is to spot exactly where a player gets caught. The game is so fast now, it’s hard to know what’s a red card and what was nothing sometimes!

 

[stonerblue]

well both sets of fans went mad and the correct decision was reached, or would we rather Chelsea won a final they shouldn't have because they got back in with a dodgy goal?

'Dodgy goal' my arse. And there would have been half hour extra time if it stood. That doesn't mean Chelsea would go on to win it as you seem to assume.
The forensic examination of every goal is turning the game to shit for the average fan. Spectators wanna see goals but when they're constantly ruled out (67 last season) people will begin to turn off or not turn up.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Can anyone explain to me why the Leicester goal wasn't chalked off, I was 100% convinced it was gonna be disallowed for handball. I was thinking back to the Mahrez goal against Liverpool where Foden was fouled and it played off his arm resulting in it being disallowed. For 2 seasons now I've been led to believe any touch with the hand/arm, regardless of intent or even physics, that led to a goal would automatically see it chalked off.

Law changed in march

 

[berniethebusman]

Law changed in march

I believe so, makes no sense to me. So now you can kick a ball against your own hand but if an opposition player does it, it gets ruled out i.e Callum Wilson against Liverpool.
Read the rule now, apparently it only applies if the hand ball/ ball to hand occurs with the goal scorer, so Mahrezs goal would have counted where as Wilsons under the rules was correctly ruled out.

 

[Xhavenjoe]

Law changed in march

You mean,like a few weeks ago.

 

[Gray]

Can anyone explain to me why the Leicester goal wasn't chalked off, I was 100% convinced it was gonna be disallowed for handball. I was thinking back to the Mahrez goal against Liverpool where Foden was fouled and it played off his arm resulting in it being disallowed. For 2 seasons now I've been led to believe any touch with the hand/arm, regardless of intent or even physics, that led to a goal would automatically see it chalked off.

According to that twat Walton, there was a 7 (seven) second gap between the hand ball and the goal, so it would be another phase of play. I am not making this up that is what he said?

 

[Bazzmand Show]

If they retain VAR and I don't believe it's going anywhere then the offside rule needs to change. Measuring a player to the milimetre of being offside isn't right.

If either of your feet are in front of the last defender its offside and thats that. Having a hand offside and ruling that out is bullshit, always has been/.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

VAR wasn't the issue in the cup final, the rules were, at speed like that the rules need to change so that a forward is only offside if there is daylight between him and the defender.

The game will eat itself eventually, the whole point of football is to score goals, having a rule that makes that more difficult is the problem, with or without VAR/referee's/assistants.

Agreed, VAR can stay as long as the offside rule is changed.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

because officials can’t keep up with the speed of the game. VAR proves how much incorrect decisions would normally be given.
i don’t blame the refs - the speed of the game is so fast, players cheat etc. To expect one man and a couple linos to get marginal decisions correct is such a big ask - it’s why eventually, technological help was needed.

Technology has helped offside decisions ,but that needs changing to give the forward the benefit of the doubt and as for other decisions VAR just shifts the decision to another human being in front of a screen at Stockwell Park who makes just s many mistakes as the referee, the only difference is the blame is shifted from the ref to a faceless decision maker who has no one to answer to.

 

[danielwood5]

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This is only offside in the VAR era, hence the lines on the screen. In the Pre-VAR era, that gets slowed down, the commentator says "he's level" and nobody complains.

I didn't see the game but if this is what they used to chalk a cup final goal off for then that's a disgrace.
The Chelsea player isn't gaining an advantage, he's level with the defender for gods sake.
It also looks like they're using the players elbows as the points to draw the lines from which is weird as you can't legally play the ball with your elbow.
Never mind the selective use of "clear and obvious" and referees looking at monitors, it's decision like this are destroying the enjoyment of games.

 

[danielwood5]

If it was offside, I thought it would be necessary to flag

They've been told only to flag if it's incredibly obvious it's offside, i.e. the attacking player is 6ft offside and there could be absolutley no doubt about it.
That's why people saying "well the linesman didn't flag so VAR got it right" is slightly disingenuous, pre VAR they would more than likely have flagged for the majority of decisions that the guidance now tells them to ignore.
That's why it's a bit baffling that there's been so many attempts flagged offside when replays have shown the move to be onside.

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

Don’t we watch football for that spontaneous moment when the ball hits the net and we all go mad. That is gone forever with VAR. When City score my default reaction now is VAR might rule it out.

I'm the same. Can no longer go mad when we score as am waiting for VAR to tell me if I can or not. Schmeichel said the same yesterday about Leicester's goal.