You asked what people can’t do. And I gave you some examples. I didn’t say we should necessarily open everything up. I just said that there are still many things we’re unable to do. And I don’t know of any Manchester music venues that were shutting down pre pandemic. That might have by the end of it!!I keep hearing about gigs but lots of venues have closed down because of lack of demand pre pandemic. All of a sudden it seems more popular than ever.
What you have pointed is a great argument for being careful and following the data.
Yes, maybe Matt Hancock meant Easter 2022.....Ooooh just in time for winter! I can see it now….’we need to keep restrictions until everyone has had their booster jab to protect the NHS over winter. But don’t worry, it will be fine by easter 2022’
I don't think people will be incandescent with rage if they say it is moving back 2 or 3 weeks and they guarantee that the threshold of vaccines will be hit at that point and that date is truly set in stone. You know as well as I do that won't be the case.
You clearly don't have an interest in holidays, attending football matches, going to the theatre, going to a nightclub, celebrating someone's birthday in a group or just being able to enjoy a day out somewhere without it being (let's be honest) pretty shit and that's fine for some. Anything you do at the moment, the enjoyment is sapped out of it, for example going to the pub. You can go in as long as there are 6 or less of you, but dare you stand up to talk to someone else or sing along to a tune, you will soon have your fun stopped.
As someone who works in the live music industry and previously used to love going to the match with their mates, yeah I deem the current situation pretty fucking horrible.You deem that oppression?
You don’t think gigs were popular in England pre pandemic?!
I agree with you on that.
I would probably prefer to wear a mask on public transport nowadays regardless of COVID. I think the table service and pre-booked aspect of dining/pubs a lot better too.
But we can't go on like this indefinitely, and if offering every (even remotely) vulnerable person two jabs isn't enough, then nothing will be.
I think that is going to be a possible trade off.Would you be happy enough to open everything up and keep non-vital international travel banned for 2021?
You don’t know that. The exit strategy is underway. People are just impatient.It will never be complete because there will always be new variants every few weeks that ‘could’ evade vaccines and ‘may’ be more transmissable (as with all viruses). Hence, the question of where is the exit strategy?
It still isn’t oppression. It’s a safety measure put in place to limit a fatal disease from spreading.As someone who works in the live music industry and previously used to love going to the match with their mates, yeah I deem the current situation pretty fucking horrible.
But you're alright so who gives a shit eh.
A few football clubs went bust tooJudging by the closure of a substantial number of music venues... Less popular than they had been.
They're not important TO YOU. They're not important to me either, but they may be critically important to some - you have absolutely zero clue about other peoples' lives. Given this thread is a big fan of ifs whats and maybes, I'd suggest that's enough.
Maldon (an Essex seaside dormitory/retirement town) was at the very bottom of the Covid by Local Authority Table a month or so back !Zoe data elsewhere
Luton has spiked and is now at 6069 - above most places in the NW but not all
Redditch is not far off at 5624.
Most places in the South remain only at the level of Wigan and Stockport at worse.
Such as Watford 2561 and Southwark 2526
Havant in Hampshire ditto at 2561.Maldon in Essex is 2318.
Large swathes of Derbyshire are in the 2000s too.
Further North Sunderland on 4840
In Scotland large parts of the country (very big regions there) are in the 2000s.
Glasgow numbers seem down in that range too.
In fact Edinburgh at 3525 is higher on Zoe and North Lanarkshire between the rwo hugher still at 4317.
However, South Ayrshire is still the highest in the country on 5445
Aberdeenshire which was for a while way up there is now only in the mid 2000s.
In Wales Wrexham at 3061 is the only place over the 1000s. And there are only a couple of those in the 1000s down south around Swansea.
Out of all the things you could have said you think those are important. I have no words...
Zero clue about other peoples lives? Well, clearly not if people think that it is important they don't have to book a table at a boozer. Everyone has bigger issues to deal with. I honestly think you have no clue at all.
With respect, that's complete and utter horse shit.I keep hearing about gigs but lots of venues have closed down because of lack of demand pre pandemic. All of a sudden it seems more popular than ever.
What you have pointed is a great argument for being careful and following the data.
You don't get to define how other people feel oppressed.It still isn’t oppression. It’s a safety measure put in place to limit a fatal disease from spreading.
The only exit strategy is to vaccinate as many as possible, reopen and then maintain surveillance on the effect of any new variants.It will never be complete because there will always be new variants every few weeks that ‘could’ evade vaccines and ‘may’ be more transmissable (as with all viruses). Hence, the question of where is the exit strategy?
...did you even read what I posted? It was literally THE OPPOSITE of what you just said there.
Anyway, an example. Old fella, ONLY social interaction he gets is a Saturday afternoon in his local. Doesn't have a smart phone, can't use a computer. Booking a table at a pub is probably a massive deal to that guy.
Probably should have said you're unable to empathise with situations you're unfamiliar with. Possibly more accurate.
Thanks I had no idea what it was. But its only at a moderately high level. Not really a problem in the 2000s. Just on watch.Maldon (an Essex seaside dormitory/retirement town) was at the very bottom of the Covid by Local Authority Table a month or so back !
The June 21st date was in the roadmap that was announced on 22nd February. It was only ever June 21st and at no time was it ever any earlier. Up to now, every date in the roadmap has been adhered to. June 21st is the last one and the one that is admittedly most under threat. Hopefully, any delay is only a very short one. Personally I don’t see any reason to delay it for 2 months based on current data plus we’re continuing to get shit loads of jabs in arms, but I can see it being knocked back a week or two.I think there is little confidence that it would be ‘a couple of weeks’. Once the vaccines were approved we were told Easter.
‘Matt Hancock predicted this morning that restrictions on social life and business would be lifted after Easter as optimism rose that vaccines will bring the coronavirus under control.
The health secretary said that “some parts of social distancing” and hand-washing would remain commonplace but told MPs he was confident that the most intrusive legal curbs would go as a result of vaccination’
If I remember rightly, there was very little change in restrictions at Easter. Then we were told June 21st. I don’t mind a few weeks. My fear is the 2 month delay suggested by Prof Pagel. That would be another summer lost for most businesses and events that operate outdoors.