Covid and travel discussion

Was going to cancel holiday to the Greek Islands in a fortnight when it didn't go green but we've decided to go anyway. I'll do the 10 day quarantine on return. Working from home anyway and hardly going out at the moment. The missus will do the day 5 test to release for an extra £60. Should be nice and quiet at the hotel.
Have a great time. You deserve it for putting up with this tramps den and the shitehawks who govern us. Just tell everyone you’ve been to Gibraltar and don’t quarantine. No one will check.
 
So what’s the end point? Everyone vulnerable has had a vaccine. Some people may die of it still who’ve had it (not many) who may have died from flu after a flu vaccination. This is NEVER going away, so that means by little girls life is ruined forever for it? Before people get smug, how many birthday parties have kids missed out on, she’s not been to a single one as she was nursery age last year and now reception , prime time for birthday parties every year. By time we will go on holiday she’ll be coming to an end of her little girl wanting to go mini disco stage. Selfish. But let’s live in fear forever of a virus which isn’t killing anymore (in great numbers) in places with decent vaccination programmes .

I know its never going away and we will have to live with it but lets get all adults vaxxed yeah? And get a winter booster operation prepared then we are in a good situation.

Oh and btw the reason some people die after flu vaccination is because the annual vaccine is developed to tackle the flu strain expected but the buggers mutate as they are a virus thus making the vaccine less effective hence the Govts change on Portugal coz of the Delta variant and the fact we don't yet know how effective the vaccine is against it.

I am highly critical of this govt and their handling of the pandemic - fucking about and delaying all the time has led to the issues we have with the Indian variant in the UK now but on Portugal they are being proactive and I am not going to be critical of that.
 
So what’s the end point? Everyone vulnerable has had a vaccine. Some people may die of it still who’ve had it (not many) who may have died from flu after a flu vaccination. This is NEVER going away, so that means by little girls life is ruined forever for it? Before people get smug, how many birthday parties have kids missed out on, she’s not been to a single one as she was nursery age last year and now reception , prime time for birthday parties every year. By time we will go on holiday she’ll be coming to an end of her little girl wanting to go mini disco stage. Selfish. But let’s live in fear forever of a virus which isn’t killing anymore (in great numbers) in places with decent vaccination programmes .
Needs saying

this is pathetic
 
Primavera's been moved to next year. I can wait until then.

@TheBlueDune I really fancy a holiday in Blackpool. Usually I go Rebellion, but that's off this year. I've got family in the area so I stay with them, it's way cheaper than a hotel.
 
Needs saying

this is pathetic
No it isn't. It's a genuine concern that we are being led by a bunch of f***wits who are doing more harm than good.

The only acceptable reason for restricting peoples lives is if the NHS is in danger of bring overwhelmed. I think we can all accept this and did accept it in the initial wave and also at the start of this year. Anybody who was moaning then would have been viewed as pathetic, but I don't think that that should be the case now.

Is the NHS in danger of being overwhelmed - No.
Is the NHS in a place where it is likely to be overwhelmed soon - No.

Is it more dangerous to visit Portugal or Spain than Blackburn or Bolton - No.
Do the government promise something (e.g. transition through watchlist) and then do a 180 without warning: Yes, you bet they do.

I'll stick to my line that I've said for months: We should have waited until all adults had been offered the first jab before opening up indoor hospitality OR allowing foreign travel. Why is going to a bloody pub more important than freedom of movement?
 
We’re having the piss taken out of us. They continue to let Indian flights in in their droves and then moan about the increasing number of cases. Not to mention all the boatloads of untested and in quarantined ‘asylum’ seekers arriving in Kent. They have the Balearic Islands and many other places on the amber list even though their figures are considerably lower than here. If a country would accept us with proof of a double jab and their figures are lower than here then what on earth is the problem? I dont want to holiday here because the weather is shite, it’s full of scrotes and it’s very expensive. I think the goodwill of the public is wearing very thin. All because 1 person allegedly died the other day of COVID. It’s a shambles.
The sad thing is too many people are willing and begging to be kept in lockdown. My mate of 22 years and I had massive argument over Xmas because he would not let his mum and dad come to his house unless Bojo said it was okay. That was too much for me to take. It's something we will have to live with and therefore we must get on with our lives. The script is so lame that I don't know how some people can't see the plot.

If and I say again if only the whole world could put this level effort into finding a cure for cancer their would be no need to people wear pink t-shirts and run around a park to raise money for so called research that we never get to see any results from.

For all those going on holiday, enjoy it and make sure your children experience a some level normalcy too. Be sensible and do your own risk assessment on what is acceptable for you and yours.

P.S: how can we force Bojo to go back on his word of opening up on 21st of June? Indian variant, quick get all the news outlets to run with this 24/7 and Cummings to throw more shit at him about not responding quick enough.
 
What’s pathetic about it? Done my bit for a year and half, it’s over. Kids are suffering and having their childhoods ruined but that’s ok isn’t it? They’re only young once

It’s all relative though. We’re still in the midst of a global pandemic. Even with our vaccine success, we’re still a way away from having enough of the population having had two doses to get maximum efficacy to combat the new strains.

You say kids are suffering, thankfully unlike previous mass pandemics, on the main they aren’t. If they catch it, most will have a mild illness and then continue to live their lives. Yes you have to sacrifice a pool holiday for a couple of years, that doesn’t stop you from creating other memories and providing them with a rich childhood. They also hopefully get to see their parents and grandparents live through it, something plenty have already lost. I’m sure they’d rather have them back than a trip to Alicante.

There is an end to this and that end will come far quicker if we take our time to get to it now. By wanting normality sooner, all people are doing is prolonging the chance of it actually happening.
 
It’s all relative though. We’re still in the midst of a global pandemic. Even with our vaccine success, we’re still a way away from having enough of the population having had two doses to get maximum efficacy to combat the new strains.

You say kids are suffering, thankfully unlike previous mass pandemics, on the main they aren’t. If they catch it, most will have a mild illness and then continue to live their lives. Yes you have to sacrifice a pool holiday for a couple of years, that doesn’t stop you from creating other memories and providing them with a rich childhood. They also hopefully get to see their parents and grandparents live through it, something plenty have already lost. I’m sure they’d rather have them back than a trip to Alicante.

There is an end to this and that end will come far quicker if we take our time to get to it now. By wanting normality sooner, all people are doing is prolonging the chance of it actually happening.

Like you say it’s all relative, if it was an outbreak of the Bubonic Plague of course I’d be concerned and I wouldn’t moan about holidays and birthday parties and everything else that goes with a normal childhood, but it’s not the bubonic plague. One day I do think there will be a virus that will come and will take out a significant chunk of the population, this isn’t it.
It’s over. Has been for a while.
 
So what’s the end point? Everyone vulnerable has had a vaccine. Some people may die of it still who’ve had it (not many) who may have died from flu after a flu vaccination. This is NEVER going away, so that means by little girls life is ruined forever for it? Before people get smug, how many birthday parties have kids missed out on, she’s not been to a single one as she was nursery age last year and now reception , prime time for birthday parties every year. By time we will go on holiday she’ll be coming to an end of her little girl wanting to go mini disco stage. Selfish. But let’s live in fear forever of a virus which isn’t killing anymore (in great numbers) in places with decent vaccination

So what’s the end point? Everyone vulnerable has had a vaccine. Some people may die of it still who’ve had it (not many) who may have died from flu after a flu vaccination. This is NEVER going away, so that means by little girls life is ruined forever for it? Before people get smug, how many birthday parties have kids missed out on, she’s not been to a single one as she was nursery age last year and now reception , prime time for birthday parties every year. By time we will go on holiday she’ll be coming to an end of her little girl wanting to go mini disco stage. Selfish. But let’s live in fear forever of a virus which isn’t killing anymore (in great numbers) in places with decent vaccination programmes .
So, essentially, what you're advocating is a couple of dead people is ok as long as my little girl is able to go to a mini disco in Spain?

And if your little girl's 'life is ruined forever', I suggest you seriously have a think about your parental priorities.
 
Like you say it’s all relative, if it was an outbreak of the Bubonic Plague of course I’d be concerned and I wouldn’t moan about holidays and birthday parties and everything else that goes with a normal childhood, but it’s not the bubonic plague. One day I do think there will be a virus that will come and will take out a significant chunk of the population, this isn’t it.
It’s over. Has been for a while.

It isn’t though, not until we have at least 80% of the population double dosed at least.
 
I’m quite getting used to the lack of tourism and how quiet it is over here. Roads not filled with nobheads who forget which side to drive on, supermarkets with no queues and bars and restaurants always having availability.
Don’t get me wrong, this time next year I will be living in a box and drinking dogs piss to survive but I’ll be able to do it in peace so that’s a bonus :-)
 
So, essentially, what you're advocating is a couple of dead people is ok as long as my little girl is able to go to a mini disco in Spain?

And if your little girl's 'life is ruined forever', I suggest you seriously have a think about your parental priorities.
No, it’s about all sorts of normality. I was using it as an example because it isn’t fair, not on her, not on children of all ages, be that early years, young primary age, secondary school age and even 17/18 year olds who are missing out on all the things I did and many others did at their age. Be that birthday parties or going out to clubs in town at 17/18. It’s not fair on any of them. People will die of it, but a lot more are dying of other things than COVID, the worst has been and gone. .
First dose of the vaccines and you’re about 80% protected and pretty much guaranteed to avoid a bad reaction to the virus. There is no need for the restrictions anymore. That’s a fact.
 
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It isn’t though, not until we have at least 80% of the population double dosed at least.

Even when we do have 80% double dosed how does that tally with one of their justifications for restrictions being that a variant could 'possibly' come along that 'could' be more transmissible and 'may' evade vaccines (even those double dosed). It's a never ending circular argument with no exit isn't it?
 
This is getting ridiculous now.
The only ones allowed to travel are illegal economic migrants and they don't even need a passport. Only in joke Britain. You couldn’t make it up.
 
No, it’s about all sorts of normality. People die, a lot more are dying of other things than COVID. That’s a fact. Sad people like you will have this continue forever.

Can you actually remember any childhood memories from when you were the same age as your little girl?

Why can't you recreate the mini disco experience in the garden or in the UK?
 
Even when we do have 80% double dosed how does that tally with one of their justifications for restrictions being that a variant could 'possibly' come along that 'could' be more transmissible and 'may' evade vaccines (even those double dosed). It's a never ending circular argument with no exit isn't it?

Not really, no. The increased efficacy reduces both the impact a variant could have and also the chances of it happening in the first place. They can’t say there will never be a variant that manages to evade the vaccinations, but then using that as something as a possibility that might happen as an excuse to hasten it actually happening is moronic.

There’s no exit to vaccinations, they’ll likely stay now just like the flu vaccine. There is to lockdowns though via suppression through vaccination.
 
No, it’s about all sorts of normality. I was using it as an example because it isn’t fair, not on her, not on children of all ages, be that early years, young primary age, secondary school age and even 17/18 year olds who are missing out on all the things I did and many others did at their age. Be that birthday parties or going out to clubs in town at 17/18. It’s not fair on any of them. People will die of it, but a lot more are dying of other things than COVID, the worst has been and gone. .
First dose of the vaccines and you’re about 80% protected and pretty much guaranteed to avoid a bad reaction to the virus. There is no need for the restrictions anymore. That’s a fact.

Thats not a fact at all. You’re around 33% protected against the current dominant strain after the first dose.
 
Thats not a fact at all. You’re around 33% protected against the current dominant strain after the first dose.

So the vast majority of high risk are double vaccinated and the majority of people who are low risk of even being hospitalized never mind die have had one dose which increased protection by 33% lol.
 

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