Coronavirus (2021) thread

[ayrshire_blue]

Ha ha a 15-20% reduction on the first Jab and a slight possibly reduction on the second jab. Really is that all you have?

You said there's not been a single hospitalisation in anyone who's been jabbed. You were wrong.

You said variants "haven't made a dent" in our vaccines. You were wrong.

Anything else?

 

[BerkshireBlue]

My evidence? It's actual evidence. Here. 2 doses offer great protection, 1 dose much much less so (which wasn't the case up until Delta variant made its mark). But 'every single hospitalisation haven't had a jab' is absolutely wrong.

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I'd also add the devil is in the detail. The 15-20% reduction is in symptomatic conditions not hospitalisations like the efficacy measure is actually based on. The fact is every case of hospitalisations hasn't had a jab and there is no better proof a vaccine works than this. That's with this delta virus knocking around as well

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The fact is every case of hospitalisations hasn't had a jab

You've said this several times and have been offered sources contradicting it.

Can you provide a link to where you've got this from please, as I can't find anything to support it, and I'm pretty sure it's not true.

Cheers.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

I'd also add the devil is in the detail. The 15-20% reduction is in symptomatic conditions not hospitalisations like the efficacy measure is actually based on. The fact is every case of hospitalisations hasn't had a jab and there is no better proof a vaccine works than this. That's with this delta virus knocking around as well

The vaccine works, nobody is saying it doesn't. Here are some of the figures on hospitalisations. Reminder that these only represent the cases which have been sequenced and are known as fact to be the Delta variant.

 

[Cityfan]

I have had one vaccine then a bad bout of Covid and am due my second vaccine but honestly shit scared of having it as I still have no taste still and still weak as fuck compared to what I was pre Covid. Does it matter if I leave it a couple more months? How long will my current immunity last?

think I will wait one more month and then have it. Just get myself bang on in the mean time.

This sounds pretty sensible.

Bearing in mind I am not an immunologist or vaccinologist. I don't think anyone can answer your question with certainty.

Although there have been studies looking at the immune response of infection followed by vaccination I am not aware of any the other way round.

It sounds like you had a pretty bad dose of Covid after vaccination which maybe means you are not a strong responder to the antigens. Getting a further shot will probably enhance the response. There is decent evidence for both vaccines that waiting up to twelve weeks enhances the response therefore waiting a bit longer after your infection may enhance your response.
A further shot certainly should not weaken you further.

 

[grunge]

Just over a 2bn doses of vaccine have been administered globally. And speed is ramping up massively.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

The vaccine works, nobody is saying it doesn't. Here are some of the figures on hospitalisations. Reminder that these only represent the cases which have been sequenced and are known as fact to be the Delta variant.

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But you did about 5 posts back when you called my post wrong. Again this data is showing the great efficacy of the vaccine. So unless you want to give me evidence the vaccine is not working against the variants then I presume you're wrong.

 

[Marvin]

Likely to be switched to 8 week interval for over 40’s too.

And 4 weeks if you live in Bolton apparently? They have the Pfizer supply. Can't keep it more than 31 days after removing from deep freeze so some is going to early 2nd vaccinations according to reports.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

You've said this several times and have been offered sources contradicting it.

Can you provide a link to where you've got this from please, as I can't find anything to support it, and I'm pretty sure it's not true.

Cheers.

There's loads out there on it. For example the of the head of the NHS last week said only a handful of patients with 2 jabs are currently in hospital. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57294438.amp if you search around there's other newer articles saying there was none for this week

 

[unicorn]

Mutation this mutation that. The fact is non of these variants are denting the vaccines at the moment. Moderna and pfizer can be adapted very quickly for variants that pop up so why worry about variants that don't exist yet. If you are worried about this then you should be really worried about the current extremely contagious and deadly bird flu variant that might jump to humans at somepoint. I know I won't be worrying about it until it actually happens. I've said it before and I'll say it again but I'm not staying in to protect people who won't get a jab. I've done my bit and if they want to be idiots then that's up to them

As long as there aren't enough "idiots" to crash* the NHS again if they all get hospitalised (*and it has crashed for routine services in many places, ask my parents), I agree with you.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

But you did about 5 posts back when you called my post wrong. Again this data is showing the great efficacy of the vaccine. So unless you want to give me evidence the vaccine is not working against the variants then I presume you're wrong.

Is this a Clarkie?

You said that the variants haven't made a dent in the vaccines. I've proved you wrong, with evidence.

You said there hasn't been a single hospitalisation caused by the variant in people who are jabbed. I proved you wrong, with evidence.

That's literally all there is to it. Nobody claimed the vaccines no longer work.

 

[unicorn]

The vaccine works, nobody is saying it doesn't. Here are some of the figures on hospitalisations. Reminder that these only represent the cases which have been sequenced and are known as fact to be the Delta variant.

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Playing devil's advocate, that's only TWELVE visits to A & E by folk double vaccinated with the Covid Delta variant and TWO deaths in four months, so hardly surprising many people think it's all fine on the numbers.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

As long as there aren't enough "idiots" to crash* the NHS again if they all get hospitalised (*and it has crashed for routine services in many places, ask my parents), I agree with you.

Yep completely agree with that. Surely there aren't many Ian Browns out there though but who knows it's possible

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Playing devil's advocate, that's only TWELVE visits to A & E by folk double vaccinated with the Covid Delta variant and TWO deaths in four months, so hardly surprising many people think it's all fine on the numbers.

In cases which have been sequenced, is the part to remember though. So there'll undoubtedly be more. I absolutely agree the ratio still shows extremely good vaccine efficacy on severe cases though.

As it happens, I read a paragraph earlier in the week which I couldn't help but agree with. It was from one of the iSAGE members (can't remember who) but basically they said they aren't actually worried about the Delta variant itself in the UK, but the transmission effect it'll have globally and the FURTHER new variants it will undoubtedly drive, what impact will they have vaccine wise? Not panicking but just shows how this is a global problem and one country cannot be free from danger until the rest are too.

 

[nmc]

If only there was a vaccine that cured basic stupidity.

A quick vaccination program at Eton College and the nations problems would be sorted!

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Is this a Clarkie?

You said that the variants haven't made a dent in the vaccines. I've proved you wrong, with evidence.

You said there hasn't been a single hospitalisation caused by the variant in people who are jabbed. I proved you wrong, with evidence.

That's literally all there is to it. Nobody claimed the vaccines no longer work.

"You said that the variants haven't made a dent in the vaccines. I've proved you wrong, with evidence."

You haven't provided a single bit of information to support your claim. You've provided evidence that it does work though. You need to learn to read data properly.

Read this article

India Covid variant may increase risk of hospital admission, early data suggests

Public Health England analysis finds Delta variant is more likely to lead to hospitalisation than Kent variant

www.theguardian.com

There's a quote in it
"One shining light however is that vaccination still appears to be making an impact on spread,” she said noting 73% of Delta cases are in unvaccinated people and only 3.7% Delta cases are in people who’ve had both doses, while only 5% of people hospitalised with this variant have had both jabs."

Presume you'll find some to argue with this even though it's written down for you

 

[ayrshire_blue]

"You said that the variants haven't made a dent in the vaccines. I've proved you wrong, with evidence."

You haven't provided a single bit of information to support your claim. You've provided evidence that it does work though. You need to learn to read data properly.

Read this article

India Covid variant may increase risk of hospital admission, early data suggests

Public Health England analysis finds Delta variant is more likely to lead to hospitalisation than Kent variant

www.theguardian.com

There's a quote in it
"One shining light however is that vaccination still appears to be making an impact on spread,” she said noting 73% of Delta cases are in unvaccinated people and only 3.7% Delta cases are in people who’ve had both doses, while only 5% of people hospitalised with this variant have had both jabs."

Presume you'll find some to argue with this even though it's written down for you

What planet are you on? 20-30% less effective against symptomatic infection after one dose and a small drop off in efficacy after 2 doses IS LITERALLY A DENT!!!!

Showing you evidence of

PEOPLE IN HOSPITAL WHO HAVE BEEN JABBED

when you claim

THERE ARE NO CASES OF PEOPLE IN HOSPITAL WHO HAVE BEEN JABBED

You're even proving yourself wrong with your own evidence.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

The fact is every case of hospitalisations hasn't had a jab

while only 5% of people hospitalised with this variant have had both jabs.

Which one is it? Deary me.

 

[Rammy Blue]

No, sorry, unfortunately that's incorrect.

I can't locate exact figures, but from PHE press release (my bold):

278 people with the Delta (VOC-21APR-02) variant attended A&E this week, resulting in 94 people being admitted to hospital overnight. Last week, 201 people attended A&E, with 43 admissions. Once again, the majority of these had not been vaccinated.

I read elsewhere that there has been one death of a fully vaccinated individual and three of partially vaccinated. The death and hospitalisation data I think are both too sparse to draw strong conclusions on the extent of vaccine escape yet.

We don’t know though what kind of underlying health issues these people have, they could all be hugely obese etc and may well have been seriously ill if they caught any kind of virus.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

We don’t know though what kind of underlying health issues these people have, they could all be hugely obese etc and may well have been seriously ill if they caught any kind of virus.

It doesn't detract from the issue that many more people will fall into that category though? So the point still stands that any drop off is worth noting.

Regardless, they're still absolutely brilliant at this stage and working very well.