Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Honest question - had you heard of either Vallance or Whitty before the pandemic?

I hadn't (and I'm reasonably sure 95% of the British population hadn't). These people are household names now. The pandemic has unquestionably increased their reputation and status and if you don't think they'll profit personally off the back of this then I think you're wrong.

They may in the future make some money on the "talk" rounds agreed, but right now they are just salaried staff doing there jobs. extending for the sake of it will get them nothing, at most would actually spoil the chances of that "talk" money.
 
They may in the future make some money on the "talk" rounds agreed, but right now they are just salaried staff doing there jobs. extending for the sake of it will get them nothing, at most would actually spoil the chances of that "talk" money.

Hasn't one of them if not both got shares in one of the drug companies producing one of the vaccines?
 
They may in the future make some money on the "talk" rounds agreed, but right now they are just salaried staff doing there jobs. extending for the sake of it will get them nothing, at most would actually spoil the chances of that "talk" money.
You're right - they are just salaried staff, but they're incredibly well paid. I also think it's unlikely that neither is invested in any companies that will be benefiting from the pandemic (although I have no proof on this, it's just an insinuation).

But my point still remains. Whilst the pandemic is happening they're front and central, talking next to the prime minister on TV most weeks. For a couple of men who we'd never heard of before that's some career elevation.
 
"Effectively Immune"

A double jabbed work colleague is currently struck down by Covid and feeling very breathless with bad aches and pains. Been double jabbed for 5 weeks....
Effectively immune from the worst of covid. After a double jab one’s chance of contracting the virus reduces by 94% and then those that do contract it have 10x less chance of dying as we do with standard flu.

At what point do we ever lock down or avoid restaurants etc for a normal flu season? There’s fast approaching a point now when the vast vast majority are vaccinated that we need to bite the bullet and carry on with our lives. Certainly in countries where there are 75-80% of the population vaccinated.
 
Hasn't one of them if not both got shares in one of the drug companies producing one of the vaccines?
Vallance has shares in Glaxo which is developing a vaccine yep, due to enter phase 3 trials in a few weeks.

Does that mean though everyone who has any advisory roll to the government needs to sell all there shares 1st?
 
Just been offered and booked my second jab for June 19 - less than eight weeks between the two.

Wife also.

Very happy.
Can I ask if you had already booked your second and they've just brought it forward?

I did and heard nothing yet, still stuck on an 11 week gap. Not the end of the world I know, but given I am over 50, was expecting to be brought forward.

Edit, just cancelled and rebooked again, still nothing earlier than my original for me, but did get a venue closer to home.
 
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I'm just fed up with the whole thing. There are two possible outcomes.

1 - The vaccines aren't effective and there's no hope, so we may as well open up and crack on with life because COVID is here to stay.

2 - The vaccines are effective and all the vulnerable people have been offered theirs. So let's open up and crack on with our lives.

The latter is clearly true as we can see from all the data from the past 6 months. How much longer should we drag out these utterly pointless restrictions?
This I’d agree with although I wouldn’t even mention option 1 as it’s not shown to be true via all available data.
 
Effectively immune from the worst of covid. After a double jab one’s chance of contracting the virus reduces by 94% and then those that do contract it have 10x less chance of dying as we do with standard flu.

At what point do we ever lock down or avoid restaurants etc for a normal flu season? There’s fast approaching a point now when the vast vast majority are vaccinated that we need to bite the bullet and carry on with our lives. Certainly in countries where there are 75-80% of the population vaccinated.
As someone who has urged caution (as I know you have) during this pandemic, I have to agree with this.
 
Very sorry to hear that, must be a nightmare. I really hope the situation allows it to go ahead.
Thank you. The points you're making make sense, it's just so frustrating to have my life on hold for over a year - especially so when you see the daily deaths yesterday were 4 (and it's likely all 4 of those refused a vaccine). Plus the number of people in the hospital is down on the week prior.

I'm not a COVID denier or anything like that. I'm just frustrated and think the negatives of extending the current restrictions outweigh any positives. I can see the cases going up, but I'm not convinced our hospitals are anywhere near to being overrun with COVID again (nor that these higher number of cases are actually leading to increases in hospitalisations). I'm worried we're being too overcautious and slow because the people making decisions aren't affected by COVID like the rest of us.
 
Thank you. The points you're making make sense, it's just so frustrating to have my life on hold for over a year - especially so when you see the daily deaths yesterday were 4 (and it's likely all 4 of those refused a vaccine). Plus the number of people in the hospital is down on the week prior.

I'm not a COVID denier or anything like that. I'm just frustrated and think the negatives of extending the current restrictions outweigh any positives. I can see the cases going up, but I'm not convinced our hospitals are anywhere near to being overrun with COVID again (nor that these higher number of cases are actually leading to increases in hospitalisations). I'm worried we're being too overcautious and slow because the people making decisions aren't affected by COVID like the rest of us.
I agree, so long as hospitalisations are no more than normal flu, I’m not really arsed what the case numbers say.
 
Vallance has shares in Glaxo which is developing a vaccine yep, due to enter phase 3 trials in a few weeks.

Does that mean though everyone who has any advisory roll to the government needs to sell all there shares 1st?
Exactly. Someone who has shares in a company that is linked to the industry they work in doesn't in any way suggest there is something underhanded going on. So Vallance has shares in Glaxo - well Whoop Dee Fucking Doo. Lots of people in this country have shares in Glaxo, not to mention all manner of other companies. Share dealing is more accessible to the masses than it's ever been and we can all have a dabble these days.

I wouldn't mind but some of these pharma companies haven't even performed too well on the stock exchange in spite of their involvement with the Covid vaccines. Vallance might actually be better off canning off his Glaxo shares and taking investment advice off some of the posters on here in the FTSE thread!
 
I’d rather wait until we had the numbers double dosed over 80%, depending also on what the figures look like over the next two weeks.

We are in danger of compounding one error (letting the Indian variant spread too easily) with another if we don’t. I get people wanting it to be back to normality totally and vaccines is the way to get there still. Even with the success of the rollout, we’re not at the level of coverage needed yet though and until we do there needs to be continued suppression, otherwise it just risks that return to normality being even more prolonged.
 
I agree, so long as hospitalisations are no more than normal flu, I’m not really arsed what the case numbers say.
This is the dilemma now. This surge in cases is coinciding with the huge decision as to whether we open up on June 21st. My wife’s best friend is the head of emergency planning of a NW NHS trust. They are waiting on examination of the numbers in Bolton hospitals to give an idea of where the number of hospitalisations will be post peak in this mini wave.

It‘s hugely likely that we will be reopening very soon, unless there‘s a large influx of people going into hospital. What isn’t certain is whether it’s June 21st or July 15th(random date).

In the large scheme of things that doesn’t really matter aside from it being a setback in some peoples’ heads.
 
Do you really believe that? It’s a sad state of affairs if you do. It really is.
From my posts, I'm sure you can tell I'm a 'pessimistic sceptic'. :')

These people have been catapulted into the public eye. They've been playing a key role in running the country for over a year. Most of us weren't even aware of SAGE before the pandemic, now its members are household names. These people will undoubtedly benefit financially off the back of this pandemic so why not drag it out? More importantly, why risk ending it on time (or early) when life is so good right now? They aren't the ones being made redundant and their businesses aren't going under because of the current restrictions.
 
From a purely personal point of view the June restrictions won't really effect me too much if they're delayed, I'd be fine with them extending a few weeks to see how we're getting on.

After seeing family again over the past few weeks there's little no chance of going back to a 'lockdown' (not seeing family etc) once we're all double jabbed.
 
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