Coronavirus (2021) thread

[vincent]

I didn't tweet that, just shared it.

Thanks for sharing. I’ve now booked my 2nd Jab for this week.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

I didn't tweet that, just shared it.

Thanks

 

[Manchester33]

This is the dilemma now. This surge in cases is coinciding with the huge decision as to whether we open up on June 21st. My wife’s best friend is the head of emergency planning of a NW NHS trust. They are waiting on examination of the numbers in Bolton hospitals to give an idea of where the number of hospitalisations will be post peak in this mini wave.

It‘s hugely likely that we will be reopening very soon, unless there‘s a large influx of people going into hospital. What isn’t certain is whether it’s June 21st or July 15th(random date).

In the large scheme of things that doesn’t really matter aside from it being a setback in some peoples’ heads.

Of course, it matters!

There are countless businesses that have been preparing to reopen on 21/06. It's not just a case of 'oh well, I'll edit the social media post and open a few weeks later'. There are loads of logistical problems companies face. If the date gets pushed back they have to start from scratch at incredibly short notice.

It would cost our economy hundreds of millions to delay by even one week. Every day we lose, more businesses go under, more people are made redundant.

All for what?

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Thanks for sharing. I’ve now booked my 2nd Jab for this week.

Did you have to cancel the 2nd one & re book?

 

[vincent]

Did you have to cancel the 2nd one & re book?

No. I have been waiting for the invite to have my 2nd jab as my first one was 12 weeks ago. Never received anything so booked it on the back of this tweet.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

This is the dilemma now. This surge in cases is coinciding with the huge decision as to whether we open up on June 21st. My wife’s best friend is the head of emergency planning of a NW NHS trust. They are waiting on examination of the numbers in Bolton hospitals to give an idea of where the number of hospitalisations will be post peak in this mini wave.

It‘s hugely likely that we will be reopening very soon, unless there‘s a large influx of people going into hospital. What isn’t certain is whether it’s June 21st or July 15th(random date).

In the large scheme of things that doesn’t really matter aside from it being a setback in some peoples’ heads.

How can you say it doesn't matter ? Every day counts for a lot of industries. like the hospitality / travel, losing millions of pounds every day.
It's easy for you and other well paid mps or science bods sat in their luxurious homes with their cigars out to say "leave it a couple of weeks" - the euro's are starting on Friday and this theoretically (after june 21) could be make or break for some of these pubs / hotels etc.
This is what fucks people off - the lack of understanding about the other sides of this virus.

 

[Manchester33]

I’d rather wait until we had the numbers double dosed over 80%, depending also on what the figures look like over the next two weeks.

We are in danger of compounding one error (letting the Indian variant spread too easily) with another if we don’t. I get people wanting it to be back to normality totally and vaccines is the way to get there still. Even with the success of the rollout, we’re not at the level of coverage needed yet though and until we do there needs to be continued suppression, otherwise it just risks that return to normality being even more prolonged.

That's an incredibly high number.

Even the current restrictions are costing our economy hundreds of millions of pounds every week.

Remember that essentially no one who is both healthy and under the age of 40 dies from COVID. Only very few under that age require hospital treatment. What's the point of waiting until they're double vaccinated to open up? What's the benefit?

We are never going to get rid of COVID. There are always going to be new variants. We need to be reasonable and continue with our lives as the virus is no longer a huge strain on our NHS.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Of course, it matters!

There are countless businesses that have been preparing to reopen on 21/06. It's not just a case of 'oh well, I'll edit the social media post and open a few weeks later'. There are loads of logistical problems companies face. If the date gets pushed back they have to start from scratch at incredibly short notice.

It would cost our economy hundreds of millions to delay by even one week. Every day we lose, more businesses go under, more people are made redundant.

All for what?

to give SAGE a few extra days to scare people.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

You're right - they are just salaried staff, but they're incredibly well paid. I also think it's unlikely that neither is invested in any companies that will be benefiting from the pandemic (although I have no proof on this, it's just an insinuation).

But my point still remains. Whilst the pandemic is happening they're front and central, talking next to the prime minister on TV most weeks. For a couple of men who we'd never heard of before that's some career elevation.

Spending your days being stood next to Boris Johnson while he ums, ahs, googles Churchill quotes and spouts utter shite, while being sent death threats from paranoid schizophrenic anti-vaccine fucktards isn't my idea of career elevation tbh. I'd rather be unknown.

So what if Whitty, Valance, JVT (and Fauci in America) earn a few quid doing conference speeches over the next few years. They've earned it.

 

[Healdplace]

Delta variant in 7 days in latest data went from 58.6% of all cases in England to 74.9%

Looks like it will effectively wipe out the other variants soon.

Can one of the scientists here suggest if that is a good, bad or neutral thing.

Will its greater infectiveness at 100% of cases impact the overall numbers if it becomes the only variant in town. Or is it a possibility it could stall the rise in cases if only one type is active not several in different locations.

 

[Manchester33]

Spending your days being stood next to Boris Johnson while he ums, ahs, googles Churchill quotes and spouts utter shite, while being sent death threats from paranoid schizophrenic anti-vaccine fucktards isn't my idea of career elevation tbh. I'd rather be unknown.

So what if Whitty, Valance, JVT (and Fauci in America) earn a few quid doing conference speeches over the next few years. They've earned it.

I've never said they don't deserve the money they're about to earn.

My point is more about human nature and unconscious bias that would encourage the likes of Whitty and Valance to advise the gov in a certain way that benefits themselves personally.

They are on a panel of advisors for 'emergencies'. As soon as COVID stops being an emergency they become irrelevant again. So it wouldn't be too shocking to consider that these people who are subject to human nature like the rest of us, would impose a little bit of self-preservation in their work.

 

[meltonblue]

That's an incredibly high number.

Even the current restrictions are costing our economy hundreds of millions of pounds every week.

Remember that essentially no one who is both healthy and under the age of 40 dies from COVID. Only very few under that age require hospital treatment. What's the point of waiting until they're double vaccinated to open up? What's the benefit?

We are never going to get rid of COVID. There are always going to be new variants. We need to be reasonable and continue with our lives as the virus is no longer a huge strain on our NHS.

It’s not though, it won’t take us long to get there.

The benefit is you still suppress the virus in both the unvaccinated and the vaccinated. If the spread gets too big, then the numbers can still quite easily lead to a significant number of hospitalisation still, particularly given the low efficacy after only one dose.

We will be reasonable and continue to live our lives, I’m not for the argument of trying to do it midway through the initial vaccination programme though. Had we not allowed the delta variant in so readily, then I’d be more inclined to want to do it.

 

[Healdplace]

Zoe App data:- Estimated cases top 100,000. It was under 15,000 less than a month ago.

A huge daily rise of 10, 184 - more than 10% in a day.

 

[splinter]

Zoe App data:- Estimated cases top 100,000. It was under 15,000 less than a month ago.

A huge daily rise of 10, 184 - more than 10% in a day.

Lockdown immediately..

 

[grunge]

You're right - they are just salaried staff, but they're incredibly well paid. I also think it's unlikely that neither is invested in any companies that will be benefiting from the pandemic (although I have no proof on this, it's just an insinuation).

But my point still remains. Whilst the pandemic is happening they're front and central, talking next to the prime minister on TV most weeks. For a couple of men who we'd never heard of before that's some career elevation.

they would be getting that well paid salary, pandemic or not.

Either way. Sage are an advisory board. they have no power. the Gov make the decisions. any anger at Sage is misdirected anger.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Of course, it matters!

There are countless businesses that have been preparing to reopen on 21/06. It's not just a case of 'oh well, I'll edit the social media post and open a few weeks later'. There are loads of logistical problems companies face. If the date gets pushed back they have to start from scratch at incredibly short notice.

It would cost our economy hundreds of millions to delay by even one week. Every day we lose, more businesses go under, more people are made redundant.

All for what?

In 2022, it won’t matter. It feels like a big deal, but 3 weeks is not a big deal either way.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

How can you say it doesn't matter ? Every day counts for a lot of industries. like the hospitality / travel, losing millions of pounds every day.
It's easy for you and other well paid mps or science bods sat in their luxurious homes with their cigars out to say "leave it a couple of weeks" - the euro's are starting on Friday and this theoretically (after june 21) could be make or break for some of these pubs / hotels etc.
This is what fucks people off - the lack of understanding about the other sides of this virus.

For someone who doesn't know the difference between 15 months and 2 years, 3 weeks is not a big deal.

 

[wolfie1988]

I don't get what your argument here is...

Are you trying to insinuate that the vaccines aren't all they're cracked up to be? We shouldn't be allowed to fully open up because even if you're fully vaccinated you can still get ill?

My argument is the "Effectively Immune" comment is not true. Immune from dying, maybe, but I don't believe that is what immune means.

 

[Del_Bosque]

Pretty amazing to say that we’re mainly pushing 2nd doses at the minute.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

For someone who doesn't know the difference between 15 months and 2 years, 3 weeks is not a big deal.

3 Weeks is a big deal to me and I'm sure to millions of others.
No need for the sarcasm btw