Coronavirus (2021) thread

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MCFC_ Phil said:
In hindsight correct. He thought hospitals were going to be overwhelmed. What would you do?
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Tested them first and used hotels as an intermediary.

Whose budget would it have come out of though, the NHS or Public Health/Social Care Authority? The Health and Social Care Act 2012 which split public health from the NHS and passed the responsibility to Councils, who often were pretty clueless what it meant, was likely to have hindered the overall response.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Not if you changed passports. Which is the way travellers got round the problem.
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Did you have anything to back this claim up at all?
Genuinely curious to know as I can't find anything off my own back so perhaps you can point me in the right direction, or link some material.

India doesn't permit dual nationality, so that potentially throws open a whole new can of worms.
 
feedthegoat27 said:
Did you have anything to back this claim up at all?
Genuinely curious to know as I can't find anything off my own back so perhaps you can point me in the right direction, or link some material.

India doesn't permit dual nationality, so that potentially throws open a whole new can of worms.
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It was reported from Pakistan and Bangladesh and specialist travel agents based in the North West were selling flights to Istanbul and then on to Pakistan and Bangladesh advising people to use their UK passport for that journey and their other passport to/back to the subcontinent.
The story was in March or April.
It was certainly on Radio 5L.
 
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Bluesince88 said:
Some are blind and won’t see it; won’t see where the government has failed every step of the way. I don’t really have a party, but what I’ve found as I’ve got older how cult like it is following one and blind and biased people become. It’s a shame, even worse they’ll still get in power next time around. Madness
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There is no opposition in this country hasn’t been for a number of years.
 
The problem now is Javid doesn't stay long in a role. He's always moving around, will he stay for longer than a few months?
 
Vaccination rates by local authority from gov.uk

We've known about the regional discrepancies all along but wondered whether it was a student effect. This data shows it isn't a student effect as all Manchester age-groups have lower uptake.

I don't like the colour code though because the visual difference in colour is stark but if you look at the key it's difficult to gauge how big a % difference there is.

Not sure what is meant by Manchester and Stockport in this context. In the drop down box on gov.uk it described these localities as 'local authorities'.

Manchester

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Stockport
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Marvin said:
Vaccination rates by local authority from gov.uk

We've known about the regional discrepancies all along but wondered whether it was a student effect. This data shows it isn't a student effect as all Manchester age-groups have lower uptake.

I don't like the colour code though because the visual difference in colour is stark but if you look at the key it's difficult to gauge how big a % difference there is.

Manchester

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isnt that’s just time related. Older groups have been eligible for jabs for longer than the younger age groups.

over 18s have only had a right to get one in last week or so. Give it time .
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
isnt that’s just time related. Older groups have been eligible for jabs for longer than the younger age groups.

over 18s have only had a right to get one in last week or so. Give it time .
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I am more interested here in the difference between two regions than the difference by age in one region.
 
BlueAnorak said:
It was reported from Pakistan and Bangladesh and specialist travel agents based in the North West were selling flights to Istanbul and then on to Pakistan and Bangladesh advising people to use their UK passport for that journey and their other passport to/back to the subcontinent.
The story was in March or April.
It was certainly on Radio 5L.
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As suspected then, it was a more than a bit sweeping to say ''which is the way travellers got round the problem''.
Undoubtedly a handful may well have used that method, but it would appear to be very much in the minority given the lack of focus or media attention on it (I don't listen to the radio so I wouldn't have heard it there).

Was hoping for something a bit more substantial than an alleged radio report from 2/3 months ago but I'll keep digging as it's something I'd be genuinely interested in reading about.

I do agree they were very slow to put Turkey on the red list, but that pretty much sums up the charlatans running the shitshow.

In better news, first jab yesterday afternoon and just a sore arm so far, hoping I've dodged some of the more brutal side effects many people have mentioned.
 
Marvin said:
I am more interested here in the difference between two regions than the difference by age in one region.
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I have been flagging up the difference between Manchester and Stockport and how it seems to be reflected in their Pop Scores and cases pretty much every day for weeks in here Marvin. As it is very glaring.

And because it very clearly needed addressing and never has been.

Yes it was partly age related - younger student age population etc - but it has to be more than that as virtually nothing has changed as they push the younger age jabs in past weeks.

Still Manchester has a terrible rate versus Stockport and surprise surprise some of the worst numbers with Salford (who are by 'coincidence' second lowest) versus Stockport with the best.

The Pop Score evens out population numbers to reveal these differences - why I focus on them - as obviously Manchester is going to have bigger numers in the raw as it has more people living there - but those two are TWO times the level of Stockport in Pop Scores and a giant gap in vaccination rates especially with Manchester.

I post these every evening and have for a while in here and as I have said a few times they have hardly closed any of the gap and I have repeatedly said in those reports action is needed.

Andy Burnham claims he did ask for extra vaccine for Manchester and Salford but says he was rebuffed.

Now London is spiking with similarly bad vaccination levels I am sure they will be rebuffed too....We will see.

As we can see how the focus on Bolton really helped. They had pretty bad numbers until several weeks focusing on there brought vaccine levels up and cases under control and now with better numbers they are vying with Stockport for the lowest Pop Score in GM.

You do not need to be Einstein to see a connection here.
 
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Marvin said:
Vaccination rates by local authority from gov.uk

We've known about the regional discrepancies all along but wondered whether it was a student effect. This data shows it isn't a student effect as all Manchester age-groups have lower uptake.

I don't like the colour code though because the visual difference in colour is stark but if you look at the key it's difficult to gauge how big a % difference there is.

Not sure what is meant by Manchester and Stockport in this context. In the drop down box on gov.uk it described these localities as 'local authorities'.

Manchester

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Stockport
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Those heatmap graphics are not a great way of presenting the data for anything other than a broad overview, as you pointed out the shade difference between bars is not very quantitative. The raw data for the different age groups in each LA doesn't appear to be accessible from that page.

 
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