It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

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simon23 said:
No i am suggesting that multiple title winning goals and triumphs suggest that Aguero is better than Kane....it was the OP that suggested that one season stats meant that it was a step up.....

Do you actually believe that Harry Kane is a better centre forward than Sergio Aguero if both are fit...even now. Id argue that he isnt and that Kun is still the better forward all around. ts easy to get blinded by stats but just look at how they play.

Look at who they score against if you want to look at stats -(which Ive posted before - Kanes record against the top 6 teams pails in comparrison nest to Agueros (infact Messi from a different league altogether has scored more against the top 6 than Kane) - and i had posted the caveat that I cannot find a goals to game ration for that comparrison however. But at least these stats are spread out over a longer period of time to make them more realistic thatn one seasons worth.

it shows that Kane does very well against the midtable and bottom of the table teams but when it comes to the top 6 (baring Leicester and Arsenal) he doesnt do very well.....and its here is where it will really count.
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Well, the peak Agüero was obviously better than peak Kane, but Agü hasn't been at that level for about 2 years now, so it doesn't make much sense, because Kane is definitely better now.
 
Pablo1 said:
I've argued that Bernardo is a better player myself but the truth is this version of Bernardo that we've seen for 18 months probably isn't.
It's not a big deal, players grow stagnent and nobody can deny that he's a shadow of the lad we signed.
There will be a myriad of reason why that's the case but a hungry Jackmeister chomping at the bit is likely to offer us more next season if he signs.
In my humble opinion. I could have used IMHO but Bernardo deserves more respect than that. I'll be sad to see him go if he does indeed choose to do so.
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if we sign players based on their appetite ,just lump 150 millions on shaw and called it a day. quadruple in the bag ;)
 
Pablo1 said:
I know you love to be contrary and I know you post a lot of stuff to ruffle feathers but if the Jackmeister comes close to Bernardo best days with us then we will be doing OK.
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Have you got a bet on making Jackmeister a thing?
 
I Don't get some of the Kane/aguero comparisons... Obviously aguero in his prime is the ultimate.... But... He hasn't been in his prime for 2 years. Kane is definitely not an upgrade on prime but he definitely is better than aguero of the past 2 years. It really is that simple.

Additionally, I fear we are blinded by Bernardo's industrious quality and likeability. Current grealish is an upgrade on current Bernardo imo. Bernardo's big quality is his hard work, but imo we have others who fill that role, his job should be producing chances and goals. Grealish is better than him at that. That's no disrespect to Bernie, he's been immense for us but some players just have a shelf life (kind of reminds me of nasri's journey with us) and want to move on and from what I hear Bernie feels it's time to move on to somewhere a bit warmer.

Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly want him to leave, I think he's a superb footballer, will always see him as one of us and would love him to stay and have an 18/19 vintage season next year, I just don't see it happening.

Aaaaaaaaanyway, Messi?
 
akrh215 said:
Well, the peak Agüero was obviously better than peak Kane, but Agü hasn't been at that level for about 2 years now, so it doesn't make much sense, because Kane is definitely better now.
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is he though.....the fitness for Aguero is the issue but if fit (and I know thats a reasonable size IF) Aguero is still the better goal scorer against the better teams and thats the main issue for me....Kane is a good striker and his numbers show that.....but in the big moments against the best we need someone that takes those chances (or half chances) and Id take Aguero over kane any day in that scenario......even now if he stayed fit.....and there is no suggestion he wont be...
 
Shaelumstash said:
I genuinely think this “numbers” thing has got a bit ridiculous tbh.

How many assists did Colin Bell get? How about Maradona? Fuck knows.

“Assists” only started getting reported on in about 1994 when the Telegraph started recording them for the inaugural Fantasy League season.

Before then, creative players were judged on how well they played. How intelligent their passing was. Being the last person to touch the ball before the goalscorer wasn’t really relevant.

But now people are obsessed with “the numbers”. I couldn’t tell you “the numbers” David Silva got. Or Zidane got. Or Xavi got. Grealish maybe got better numbers last season. But I can tell you from watching them who were the better players.
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This got me interested so I looked up to see if there were any Maradona assist stats.

Maradona ranks first all-time in assists (eight), chances created (66), take ons (188), and fouls drawn (152) in World Cup play since 1966.

Wild that he's still the most fouled player, given that the threshold for a foul was so much higher then.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I genuinely think this “numbers” thing has got a bit ridiculous tbh.

How many assists did Colin Bell get? How about Maradona? Fuck knows.

“Assists” only started getting reported on in about 1994 when the Telegraph started recording them for the inaugural Fantasy League season.

Before then, creative players were judged on how well they played. How intelligent their passing was. Being the last person to touch the ball before the goalscorer wasn’t really relevant.

But now people are obsessed with “the numbers”. I couldn’t tell you “the numbers” David Silva got. Or Zidane got. Or Xavi got. Grealish maybe got better numbers last season. But I can tell you from watching them who were the better players.
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exactly....stats can be very misleading...Kane has posted more goals most seasons than Aguero (I think) but havnig watched them both play I know who id rather have and there is no bias in that at all. Same as you saiy with David Silva over Grealish....Im sorry but they are playing different sports the quality gap is so big.I believe we have a better player in foden than Grealish and if Bernardo was played more centrally i believe again he is the better player. Sane for me though a different kind of player fro Grealish is a better player......for me even though grealish is a good player/ a strong player it is regression in overall squad quality with both him and Kane
 
simon23 said:
Ha....so you think that makes it wrong...its called a difference of opinon...I happen to think that Bernardo Silva who has won multiple titles/awards etc is a better player that Jack Grealish....you clearly think otherwise....I was onyl posting in opposition to the point that someone made that one season worth of stats show that Grealish is better...I say that doesnt show he is better overall
For the record an as Ive said before I think Grealish is a good player - nothing more however.
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Then you`re totally deluded if you think Grealish is only a "good" player and all the nonsense about those players must be better if they have won trophies puts them streets ahead of anyone lese is just pure lazy sort of journalistic shite that only hacks would use.
 
FromPollockToSilva said:
The number of trophies has absolutely nothing to do with individual performance though. That's why you're getting pilloried by everyone. If you'd said "let's look at both players' performances over the last x seasons," then fine. But just posting a picture of every pot Agüero has won in his career to counteract the assertion that Kane is coming off a much better season than Kun is just weird. It doesn't make any sense.
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Spot on mate and he`s not only lost the battle he`s lost a fucking big war.
 
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