Coronavirus (2021) thread

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On a covid/vaccine note, just to keep everyone up to date with our real life experience…

Both my kids nothing more than generally poorly - my daughter equivalent of I’d say an average cold, my son less than that (he’s had one Pfizer jab) he’s just got a slight cough and feels a bit run down.

Both me and missus are still testing as negative, I know not getting carried away but signs are obviously good that the vaccine has stopped us even catching the virus considering that it’s probably about Tuesday last week when the kids first contracted it, that was when we watched England/Germany game in the boozer when the vast majority of the pub appears to have caught it. We’ve both had the odd headache and mild sore throat, none of which has lasted more than a few hours. Could be psychosomatic but could also be our bodies fighting the virus off.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Mr Javid said: "By the time we get to the 19th, we would expect case numbers by then to be at least double what they are now, so around 50,000 new cases a day.

"As we ease and go into the summer, we expect them to rise significantly and they could go as high as 100,000 case number''
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Pure guesswork but I don't think we'll hit 100k cases per day. Well, confirmed cases anyway. We could well get to 50k but the way I see it is that Delta is everywhere in the UK now and a lot of areas will be peaking at the same time in terms of case numbers. I don't think that peak is far off, and as the North West has shown the peak this time doesn't last very long. Factor in schools finishing up soon - already finished in Scotland - so less kids will be getting tested. Plus we have more and more people getting jabbed as time goes on, and it gets to a stage where there aren't many places left for the virus to reach.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Mr Javid said: "By the time we get to the 19th, we would expect case numbers by then to be at least double what they are now, so around 50,000 new cases a day.

"As we ease and go into the summer, we expect them to rise significantly and they could go as high as 100,000 case number''
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with all those thousands of positive test everyone one of them will have there own antibodies that benefits them and is!
 
Rammy Blue said:
On a covid/vaccine note, just to keep everyone up to date with our real life experience…

Both my kids nothing more than generally poorly - my daughter equivalent of I’d say an average cold, my son less than that (he’s had one Pfizer jab) he’s just got a slight cough and feels a bit run down.

Both me and missus are still testing as negative, I know not getting carried away but signs are obviously good that the vaccine has stopped us even catching the virus considering that it’s probably about Tuesday last week when the kids first contracted it, that was when we watched England/Germany game in the boozer when the vast majority of the pub appears to have caught it. We’ve both had the odd headache and mild sore throat, none of which has lasted more than a few hours. Could be psychosomatic but could also be our bodies fighting the virus off.
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Great news
 
I'm I right in thinking the j&j vaccine gets rolled out the end of this month ?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
sajid just been on pressed on number of cases.

he said cases could be as high as 50,000 a day by the time the restrictions released and could still be as high as 100,000 by the end of summer.

he didn’t seem phased as he said the hospital numbers and deaths should be low due to the success of the vacccines Even with high cases.

those case numbers will terrify a few though.
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This was always the transition we needed to make, from case focused to hospitalisation/death focused. If we don't do it at some point then we can only question why we are bothering with vaccines. There will be no such thing as zero-COVID as demonstrated in Australia where they have just a handful of cases and they are in lockdown with shut borders.

The media frenzy misses the point really that freedom day is totally irrelevant from a case perspective. Cases have risen without freedom day so it will not make any difference even if it was delayed until December.

If we cannot have freedom day and cases do continue to rise which they will then we have two choices, ignore it, or we go into lockdown all over again to bring it down. I'm not so sure many can take that.

What the government is doing is a gamble but I think it's a gamble worth taking if only to get the country moving, to get the economy going and to help people for example to get cancer treatment, improve mental health etc.
 
johnnymarrsbarres said:
Who in their right mind wants to go on a cruise? An expensive floating prison, staffed by borderline slave labour and rammed full of senile miserable old codgers? Sod that for a game of soldiers.
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My Dad!!! Lost my Mum in March (it was their type of thing) and is hoping to book 3 cruises next year and us go with him!! We keep telling him he can’t go until he learns to use a smartphone and show he’s been double jabbed.
 
We had the big push for jabs over the past couple weekends and our local vaccination places were offering second jabs for Pfizer people 3 weeks after the first, I went to get it done just after 3 weeks and oddly at the time the people inside doing the jabs were asking where people had heard about the 3 week announcement (it was on the hubs social media pages etc).

Anyway they still jabbed me and others but I read the other day about the official guidance still being 8 to 12 weeks between doses... I mean, I don't imagine it will make much a difference but just wondered if anyone else had heard/done the same?
 
inbetween said:
to help people for example to get cancer treatment,
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The likelihood is with this strategy that there will be a significant surge in hospitalisation which will impact both the numbers of people being treated for other conditions, and specifically people undergoing cancer treatment who have suppressed immune systems.

That's not to say it's definitively the wrong thing to do, but it's near certain removing restrictions will have a net negative impact on healthcare, all other things being equal.
 
artfuldodger said:
My Dad!!! Lost my Mum in March (it was their type of thing) and is hoping to book 3 cruises next year and us go with him!! We keep telling him he can’t go until he learns to use a smartphone and show he’s been double jabbed.
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Cruises are incredibly popular, and not just with gentlefolk who like dressing up and "dining with the captain".

We started doing cruises in our forties with our children; casual dress and just carry-on hand luggage. Brilliant way to see the Arabian countries (saw the City store in Abu Dhabi a decade ago), the Fjords, South America etc without the hassle, waking up in a different country each morning. Hardly spent a penny on board. Miss it a lot.
 
johnnymarrsbarres said:
Who in their right mind wants to go on a cruise? An expensive floating prison, staffed by borderline slave labour and rammed full of senile miserable old codgers? Sod that for a game of soldiers.
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It's not like that, you generally get to see a different place everyday and really just have your night out and kip on board. You get fantastic food and it's far from "miserable old codgers" there's a percentage of oldies but they're there for a good time, there's always a decent number of younger people and families. It's not for single, younger people looking for a holiday shag, that's for sure.

You'd be surprised at the wages, they're pretty good (comparatively)mostly workers from poorer countries who send a lot of their earnings home, when they retire they are well off in their countries. It's hard word but worth it. Free accommodation, meals, laundry, health care and a cheap bar, I always give them a decent tip (about £50 in total).
 
A few posts about how the NW shows we should expect a rapid spike then decline nationwide.

Genuinely no idea why people think this - it doesn't seem apparent in the data.

NW region cases by specimen date from the govt dashboard.

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Scotland showing some signs. *If* they have reached a peak, for comparison hospital admissions are ~1/6 of the Jan peak. If that followed for the UK as a whole, we'd peak below 1000.

It's very uncertain what will happen, but it seems unlikely the national peak will be below 50,000 cases daily. Hospitalisations peak perhaps 500-1000? But no-one knows, and the further relaxation could make those numbers a *lot* higher.
 
unicorn said:
Cruises are incredibly popular, and not just with gentlefolk who like dressing up and "dining with the captain".

We started doing cruises in our forties with our children; casual dress and just carry-on hand luggage. Brilliant way to see the Arabian countries (saw the City store in Abu Dhabi a decade ago), the Fjords, South America etc without the hassle, waking up in a different country each morning. Hardly spent a penny on board. Miss it a lot.
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I’ve never been so can’t comment. Mum and Dad loved them. I’m happy to go on one with him next year, but not 3. I’ve told him he should go alone and meet a nice lady.....Does the Love Boat actually exist
 
roubaixtuesday said:
The likelihood is with this strategy that there will be a significant surge in hospitalisation which will impact both the numbers of people being treated for other conditions, and specifically people undergoing cancer treatment who have suppressed immune systems.

That's not to say it's definitively the wrong thing to do, but it's near certain removing restrictions will have a net negative impact on healthcare, all other things being equal.
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The way that NHS coping has been reported has always been done very stupidly because it's always put with a national view but COVID is not a national phenomenon. There will be hospitals in the UK that have very few if any COVID patients whereas in some areas it will be very different.

It makes absolutely no sense therefore to continue with measures that restrict critical surgery for example in a London hospital just because the hospitals are full in Blackburn. If anything, the only measures that we need are rapidly deployable regional ones.

We also still do not know the full impact that the vaccines will have on future admissions because at the end of the day only 50% of the country can be considered fully vaccinated.
 
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