What a dick!I'd anticipate we wouldn't be socialising in the same circles anyway given their condition.
It's your personal choice, but what's the harm carrying one for situations where it may help protect others ? Not just from covid but anything you may be carrying or spreading if you are feeling unwell, and going into a crowded situation.If you want to carry on wearing a mask then fine but as there will be no legal requirement from the 19th it will be entirely a matter of personal choice.
My choice will be not to wear one in any setting as where we are now is more or less as good as it gets. Covid has joined the long list of potential health risks that we all have to live with. A ‘good’ flu season results in around 6000 deaths annually whereas a bad one is around 22,000. I don’t recall mask wearing to eliminate that risk.
People used to laugh at students from the far east wearing masks but maybe they had a point and a level of mask wearing in busy public places might also reduce the numbers of people catching flu which wouldn't be a bad thing. Shouldn't be mandated long term but it wouldn't be a bad thing if people chose to wear them on crowded buses and trains for example.If you want to carry on wearing a mask then fine but as there will be no legal requirement from the 19th it will be entirely a matter of personal choice.
My choice will be not to wear one in any setting as where we are now is more or less as good as it gets. Covid has joined the long list of potential health risks that we all have to live with. A ‘good’ flu season results in around 6000 deaths annually whereas a bad one is around 22,000. I don’t recall mask wearing to eliminate that risk.
There are of course idiots who believe whatever right-wing propaganda is posted in the news - ah ha! That Tucker Carlson episode on Fox News proves that I need not be vaccinated.It's your personal choice, but what's the harm carrying one for situations where it may help protect others ? Not just from covid but anything you may be carrying or spreading if you are feeling unwell, and going into a crwded situation.
That's what I don't get I just don't see any harm or hardship in it, so why not.
Genuine question - what did they used to do before Covid when other diseases were circulating? As I say, genuine question, I don't know anyone in that situation so I have nobody to ask.Many Cancer sufferers and survivors are finding the vaccine does not work. Their immune suppressed systems do not produce antibodies.
Many vulnerable people cannot be protected from the virus or people like you.
2nd jab done. Bring on the 19th. Mask is ready for the bin.
There’s nothing like jumping to conclusions, is there.Mask wearing, never having been promoted as a mitigative measure - well then, your recollection is correct.
What about vaccination then? Are you vaccinated? Will you receive COVID booster vaccinations? Or flu vaccinations for that matter?
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There is an obvious personal benefit from receiving initial COVID vaccination - and although there's yet no evidence either way - one may easily drawn the near certain inference the COVID booster vaccinations will be similarly beneficial.
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By the tone of your post, you're all about personal choice. It's your "personal choice" not to be vaccinated.
Well, true... except that you "personal choice" impacts others. Not everyone is able to safely receive COVID vaccination - for example, children at this point in time - and other individuals due to unassociated health risks.
So yeah, exercise your "personal choice" at the possible expense of children and those unable to receive the vaccine. Good on you! You fucking patriot! Oh - and if you contract COVID as a result of your "personal choice" - as the USA National Rifle Association would say - "Our thoughts and prayers are with you." Idiot!
And you, come across as a responsible citizen whom I'd welcome as a neighbor. As opposed to the fucking idiots prevalent mostly in rural American who refuse to be vaccinated.There’s nothing like jumping to conclusions, is there.
I’ve been fully vaccinated since early May and I have complied with all restrictions. However those restrictions end on the 19th and at that point I will return to living my life as I had done pre Covid.
You come across as a sanctimonious Guardianista :)
I wasn't hiding behind anything! I agree we should have shut down India and many other places weeks beforehand. I think that mistake was unforgivable. But bringing NZ into the discussion is pointless for the reason I stated.Whose comparing, it’s about different strategies for different circumstances but there are some common denominators about what works and what doesn’t. Everyone knows we locked down too late in the first wave. Everyone knows we should have shut down travel with India weeks earlier. Hiding behind the demographics of New Zealand doesn’t change those facts.
Ah, the old 'it's full of microchips so we can be controlled by Bill Gates' extolled by people who clearly have even less grasp of electronics than they do of biology. I've seen the actual microchips that you put in dogs to track them and you should see the size of the needle. Bet that f*cking hurts!And you, come across as a responsible citizen whom I'd welcome as a neighbor. As opposed to the fucking idiots prevalent mostly in rural American who refuse to be vaccinated.
Sums it up perfectly Healdplace :-)We have had this same argument about New Zealand v the UK over and over in this thread and keep repeating the exact same points. That is because they are in effect true.
New Zealand is a place you only go to if you are visiting New Zealand. If you want to stop that you can.
The UK is an interdependent part of a continent and a major travel hub where travel is what has created this pandemic.
The ONLY way we could have been like New Zealand is lock ourselves off, give everyone ration books, create a land army to try to survive on our own and hope the rest of the world got out of it before we starved to death.
There are things we did right and things we did wrong - the vaccine gamble was a great success, our testing set up took too long but is now one of the best in the world but our political interference in policy by not recognising how bad this was and creating a unified war cabinet to fight it together and the disaster over delaying what to do about India is why we are where we are - fingers crossed and hoping we win a race we could have already more or less won.
We could have done better but we could never have done a New Zealand as they had the best opportunity to get out of this. Look at the Isle of Man who did isolate. The closest independent example to compare. They have done well relatively but could not sustain that indefinitely and have probably killed their economy,
In the fulness of time all of that will have political consequences in the UK. Big ones I suspect. But now is not that time. We have to achieve equilibrium first.
There is no perfect way for most major nations to get out of a pandemic and what we all learn from the successes and failures of others will inform us all about how to handle the next one.
I'm not saying it hasn't worked well for them in the short term but it does feel like there isn't a long term plan there, other than a continuation of the current situation.
Edit: I should add I have some interest in this in that my brother and his family live in Australia. We haven't seen them for a couple of years and they have just been told that their borders are unlikely to reopen before 2023. As a result my brother was unable to come over here when our mother was dying of cancer earlier this year.
The physics of putting something undetectable by the human eye into our body that is capable of either holding or transmitting electronic information outside of the body is just not possible. This conspiracy theory is only perpetuated by the fact that the people who believe it to be true are not capable of free thought.Ah, the old 'it's full of microchips so we can be controlled by Bill Gates' extolled by people who clearly have even less grasp of electronics than they do of biology. I've seen the actual microchips that you put in dogs to track them and you should see the size of the needle. Bet that f*cking hurts!
Why the fuck are you commenting to my post with this bullshit?Ah, the old 'it's full of microchips so we can be controlled by Bill Gates' extolled by people who clearly have even less grasp of electronics than they do of biology. I've seen the actual microchips that you put in dogs to track them and you should see the size of the needle. Bet that f*cking hurts!
Genuine question - what did they used to do before Covid when other diseases were circulating? As I say, genuine question, I don't know anyone in that situation so I have nobody to ask.
The physics of putting something undetectable by the human eye into our body that is capable of either holding or transmitting electronic information outside of the body is just not possible. This conspiracy theory is only perpetuated by the fact that the people who believe it to be true are not capable of free thought.
you can ask me.
I am currently on cycle 4 of 6 chemo cycles .
I have been double jabbed and I see the onus being on me to mitigate my risks .
I am pretty knackered from the chemo anyway so won’t be dancing in pubs Until the chemo is over
however and unfortunately this is not my first chemo.
I had chemo for a year before Covid and again when you are on it the onus is on me to mitigate risks as you don’t want to catch a cold , flu etc as it could be tricky.
thousands of people are on chemo or have other immune compromising illnesses pre Covid. The idea that we would contemplate everyone else in society having restrictions placed on them for their benefit is nonsense.
the onus is on the person with it to protect themselves and watch what they do whilst having treatment . it’s always been personal responsibility with cancer patients , it’s not been about the wider public protecting them and I don’t think it should be .
The downfall of many of the idiots who've been arrested following the events in Washington DC on the 6th Jan.You don't need to microchip people anyway, everyone carries a mobile. You can monitor people through that if you want to.
Sorry - wasn't meant to refer to you, but the people who you were talking about who didn't want to get vaccinated. Often difficult to get the true meaning of posts across on social media.Why the fuck are you commenting to my post with this bullshit?