Media Thread - 2021/22

[jrb]

Maybe Mr Gupta should take over from Ed Woodward at United?

 

[Damocles]

Oh dear. Didn’t realise you were one of those types. Disappointing to be honest.

If you can’t see what damage Murdoch media does to our society and individuals within it then I don’t really know what to say.

The horrendously racist retort from his mouthpieces are what have helped create the increased racial and political tensions we see today.

Yes I'm one of those "show the evidence to your outlandish claims" types. There are many of us still around, from all wings of politics fortunately.

 

[mccity]

I agree that they represent a certain world view and sell news based on their interpretation of the world, and because they are opinionated they are irrational i.e., they will pursue MCFC until the end of the Earth regardless of the rights and wrongs because we are inherently wrong in their eyes. Not sure I know what right and left-wing is now. An anachronism from the East-West divide.

Hey Marv do you mind me asking why you've got such a thing with The Guardian? I don't mind btw I can totally see why you would not like them but I'm just curious why it's always The Guardian and not other papers also?

 

[Damocles]

Radicalise is probably the wrong word in terms of Trump & Hopkins, but a lot of the rhetoric from them has certainly been amplified by Fox, despite in some cases being patently false.

Murdoch could have put a stop to it, but instead allowed it to go on practically unchecked, possibly actively encouraging it as it suited both his pocket and his agenda. In essence Fox has been a pathway for the radicalisation of Trump supporters, alongside social media and other platforms by allowing him airtime to spew easily provable lies which have no doubt resulted in the death of people, due to either COVID or the Capitol Riots/Charlotsville.

You and many others have got this backwards. Like the people who say that all corporations are "on the side" of LGBT causes. It's nonsense, corporations don't have a morality in order to choose a side. Their side is money.

Rupert Murdoch puts out products that make him money. It's that simple. If it was much more profitable for him to be a globalist socialist unionist then that's exactly what his products would be. The very link that you quoted earlier showed Fox News to be around as partisan and inaccurate at MSNBC but I don't see anyone attacking the Roberts family for their "radicalising" Joe Biden.

Essentially, all of the criticism here stems from a single and wrong point of logic - that anything right wing is inherently bad and therefore anything or anybody who promotes that is inherently bad for society. That's always the issue behind Murdoch criticism. It's not that he's powerful, it's that he's powerful and promoting things the person doesn't agree with.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Migrant workers deaths in Qatar?
Seem to recall ages ago you destroyed the figures quoted as bullshit and I thought your argument was spot on at the time.

Yes the Guardian ran an article about death of migrant workers over a ten year period in Qatar and tried to link it to human rights abuses on World Cup construction sites. In fact the figures they used were total deaths over a decade, including road accidents, illnesses, etc etc. And of course migrant workers make up a huge majority of the total population of Qatar and that includes all walks of life. When you drilled down into the figures the deaths were not dissimilar to what you would expect in most countries over a ten year period. The story was literally "fake news."
Another point they always fail to point out is that many big construction projects in the Middle East are managed and run by Western companies including those from the UK and US. So if workplace abuses are happening they can't all be laid at the door of the rulers.
I don't doubt for one minute that there are human rights abuses in Qatar but it would be nice if the issue could be truthfully reported. You really can't trust the Guardian. It is as bad as the Daily Mail.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

You and many others have got this backwards. Like the people who say that all corporations are "on the side" of LGBT causes. It's nonsense, corporations don't have a morality in order to choose a side. Their side is money.

Rupert Murdoch puts out products that make him money. It's that simple. If it was much more profitable for him to be a globalist socialist unionist then that's exactly what his products would be. The very link that you quoted earlier showed Fox News to be around as partisan and inaccurate at MSNBC but I don't see anyone attacking the Roberts family for their "radicalising" Joe Biden.

Essentially, all of the criticism here stems from a single and wrong point of logic - that anything right wing is inherently bad and therefore anything or anybody who promotes that is inherently bad for society. That's always the issue behind Murdoch criticism. It's not that he's powerful, it's that he's powerful and promoting things the person doesn't agree with.

I was trying to say Fox have provided a platform for Trump to spew lies, which in turn has radicalised his (already nuts) supporters, not that Trump has been radicalised by Fox. I did also say that 'it suited (Murdoch) both his pocket and his agenda'.

With the media in general I have no problem with them reporting from from a left or right of arc perspective, but what I do take issue with is when they allow blatant dangerous lies to go unchallenged, or worse echoing/amplifying them. Fox are unashamedly one of the worst for this and that comes from the Chairman down.

 

[asahartford1]

I think this is an unrelated, by name only, Manchester City low.

Marshall Motor Group chief executive Daksh Gupta has insisted that the AM100 PLC will not be “splashing the cash like Manchester City” after record H1 financial results left it with a strong balance sheet.

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“Over the past 14 years we have done nothing stupid and we will continue to be very selective about what we buy,” he said.

And Red Devils fan, Gupta quipped: “We’re definitely not in a Manchester City position, and nor would we want to be. We’re like Manchester United, making targeted acquisitions that will add value.”

Sanchez? Pogba?

Marshall motor group will win fuck all then.

 

[Blue tube]

I think this is an unrelated, by name only, Manchester City low.

Marshall Motor Group chief executive Daksh Gupta has insisted that the AM100 PLC will not be “splashing the cash like Manchester City” after record H1 financial results left it with a strong balance sheet.

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“Over the past 14 years we have done nothing stupid and we will continue to be very selective about what we buy,” he said.

And Red Devils fan, Gupta quipped: “We’re definitely not in a Manchester City position, and nor would we want to be. We’re like Manchester United, making targeted acquisitions that will add value.”

Sanchez? Pogba?

What’s that a car salesman full of shit? Who’s have thunk it

 

[mat]

I wonder if SSN would have been so effervescent in their praise of Messi joining PSG if he was flying to Manchester instead.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I wonder if SSN would have been so effervescent in their praise of Messi joining PSG if he was flying to Manchester instead.

I think you already know the answer to that question.

 

[swinton blue]

I wonder if SSN would have been so effervescent in their praise of Messi joining PSG if he was flying to Manchester instead.

Haha not a fucking chance
They made a point about paying his wages signing on fee agents fees and bonuses all out of the money he will bring to the club.
Where as we would have had our spending scrutinised by John Aldridge and Dwight Yorke saying how can we possibly afford it

 

[Rochdale Blue]

Fellaini, Herrera, Di Maria, Depay, Schneiderlin, Martial, Mikkytaran, Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku, Fred, Wan Bissaka, Van Beek.

Around £620m just on those targeted acquistions.

As long as Ole is at the wheel he knows where not to buy the new team bus.

 

[Roy Munson]

Let me make an analogy to professional wrestling, so bare with me.

There was a wrestling company in the 1980s owned by Ted Turner called WCW. Wrestling was essentially a live event business model no different from a concert and the objective was to promote storylines that would want people to buy a ticket to watch the conclusion of those stories. There was this guy called Sid Vicious - big guy, looked like a mean bastard, but he was all talk and wasn't a very good wrestler. There was another guy called Arn Anderson, shorter guy but he understood crowd psychology and was a great wrestler.
You see if they heavily promoted Sid Vicious into a main event type role then they would do a massive crowd, probably make a million dollars in one night but 3 months later nobody would care about him whereas Arn Anderson would never draw that crowd but he would make the company consistent good money for 20 straight years. They chose Sid Vicious. They were bankrupt two years later.

I feel like the British media have done this. They have taken the big money now by being sensationalist but in doing so have lost the trust of the public that could have kept them in business for decades to come. Once that trust is lost in a media organisation then it never comes back and they have to go more and more sensational over the years just to stand still.

You should (if you haven't already) read The Death of WCW by Alvarez and Reynolds. Interesting stuff.

 

[Sheik Battle and Goal]

Haha not a fucking chance
They made a point about paying his wages signing on fee agents fees and bonuses all out of the money he will bring to the club.
Where as we would have had our spending scrutinised by John Aldridge and Dwight Yorke saying how can we possibly afford it

Funny that isn’t it.. when it was rumoured he might be joining us the argument was that the shirt sales income generated would only be marginal and not justify the cost of bringing him to the club etc etc

 

[mat]

SSN: Liverpool and Man U are the glamour clubs of the Premier League.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

SSN: Liverpool and Man U are the glamour clubs of the Premier League.

Did you mishear what they said?

Was it perhaps dips & rags pay our wages?

 

[red 2 hats]

Who's this clueless **** on SSN, saying only clubs spending this summer are state owned, then reels us, psg and the chavs due to abramovich, not a fucking mention of the scum with sancho and varane, no end to this bias.

 

[mat]

Did you mishear what they said?

Was it perhaps dips & rags pay our wages?

It was a discussion about teams that have galacticos. PSG now the new boys with rags and dips having their own.
It could have been a subliminal point as you allude.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Let me make an analogy to professional wrestling, so bare with me.

There was a wrestling company in the 1980s owned by Ted Turner called WCW. Wrestling was essentially a live event business model no different from a concert and the objective was to promote storylines that would want people to buy a ticket to watch the conclusion of those stories. There was this guy called Sid Vicious - big guy, looked like a mean bastard, but he was all talk and wasn't a very good wrestler. There was another guy called Arn Anderson, shorter guy but he understood crowd psychology and was a great wrestler.
You see if they heavily promoted Sid Vicious into a main event type role then they would do a massive crowd, probably make a million dollars in one night but 3 months later nobody would care about him whereas Arn Anderson would never draw that crowd but he would make the company consistent good money for 20 straight years. They chose Sid Vicious. They were bankrupt two years later.

I feel like the British media have done this. They have taken the big money now by being sensationalist but in doing so have lost the trust of the public that could have kept them in business for decades to come. Once that trust is lost in a media organisation then it never comes back and they have to go more and more sensational over the years just to stand still.

as someone who was a big wrestling fan in them days and now just checks in every now and then when the kids are watching it.

100% get this.

 

[Rochdale Blue]

SSN: Liverpool and Man U are the glamour clubs of the Premier League.

More like the Bessie Braddock and Ena Sharples of the premier league.