Climate Change is here and man made

Bazzmand Show said:
Bloody hell mate, you must live in a right on bubble of hopium and have little exposure to the outside world if someone pointing out the realities of the climate crisis is enough to send you into quotes of 'impending doom' and become an agitated mess.
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Agitated mess? How ironic. I am the very opposite, in stark contrast to some on here.
 
Let's be honest, capitalism isn't the only economic system that's contributed to climate change. Communism was just as bad too, with no commerical pressure to modernise old, inefficient methods of production.

The problem we - well, our children have - is how can you stop and start trying to reverse decades and maybe centuries of damage? At this moment, it seems absolutely impossible that we won't still be producing huge amounts of CO2 in the next 20 years, despite knowing the dangers.

The idea that seas could rise by a metre, no ice in the Arctic, the changing of jetstreams, the changing of sea currents - these are changes on a planetary scale that can't be fixed, or changed quickly or easily. And we still don't fully understand them, or the effects on the rest of the living animals that depend on these systems. We should be everything we possibly can to avoid finding out what the effects would be.

Of course, it's not just climate change though. It's mankinds disregard for the environment and every living thing on the planet. Whether it's cows, chickens, pigs, rainforests, fish, coral reefs, rivers, the air - everything is taken as something to be exploited or abused. When you see packets of ham in the supermarket with bears faces on - that's a sentient, living animal that was reared in captivity, lived an appalling life then killed just in case you wanted to make a 'funny' ham butty. It's absolutely appalling. That sums up how we treat the rest of the living world.

I feel a huge feeling of shame and dread thinking about what world we'll be leaving our children.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I don't begrudge pulling people out of poverty or feeding the starving, but if crops don't grow somewhere its 's nature way of telling us the land is inhabitable.
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Appeal to nature fallacy. You could apply this to virtually every aspect of modern life if you chose to.

"Sorry mate, you have cancer. It's just natures way. No unnatural treatment for you"

"Starving are you? Well it's natures way"

Reprehensible
 
Bazzmand Show said:
It's possible for a system to be responsible for properity and also completely fucked outcomes as well.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Capitalism and the system we are currently in needs overhauling and quickly.
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Agreed. It's gone too far and all that is needed is a minor shift. Not a thing wrong with making money. Just pay tax as well would be a start. Buy cans not plastic is another maybe. Eat less meat another.
 
WestGorton said:
Agreed. It's gone too far and all that is needed is a minor shift. Not a thing wrong with making money. Just pay tax as well would be a start. Buy cans not plastic is another maybe. Eat less meat another.
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Agree with you, but it's gonna end up needing to be pretty significant. Overhaul.
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
Let's be honest, capitalism isn't the only economic system that's contributed to climate change. Communism was just as bad too, with no commerical pressure to modernise old, inefficient methods of production.

The problem we - well, our children have - is how can you stop and start trying to reverse decades and maybe centuries of damage? At this moment, it seems absolutely impossible that we won't still be producing huge amounts of CO2 in the next 20 years, despite knowing the dangers.

The idea that seas could rise by a metre, no ice in the Arctic, the changing of jetstreams, the changing of sea currents - these are changes on a planetary scale that can't be fixed, or changed quickly or easily. And we still don't fully understand them, or the effects on the rest of the living animals that depend on these systems. We should be everything we possibly can to avoid finding out what the effects would be.

Of course, it's not just climate change though. It's mankinds disregard for the environment and every living thing on the planet. Whether it's cows, chickens, pigs, rainforests, fish, coral reefs, rivers, the air - everything is taken as something to be exploited or abused. When you see packets of ham in the supermarket with bears faces on - that's a sentient, living animal that was reared in captivity, lived an appalling life then killed just in case you wanted to make a 'funny' ham butty. It's absolutely appalling. That sums up how we treat the rest of the living world.

I feel a huge feeling of shame and dread thinking about what world we'll be leaving our children.
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'Silent Spring' (Rachel Carlson) should be a compulsory read for all 11 to 16 year olds.
 
5 Hit Gibbon said:
Appeal to nature fallacy. You could apply this to virtually every aspect of modern life if you chose to.

"Sorry mate, you have cancer. It's just natures way. No unnatural treatment for you"

"Starving are you? Well it's natures way"

Reprehensible
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It could also be argued that a lot of cancers are attributable to industrial processes and other human activities.

We as a species are our own worst enemy.
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
Let's be honest, capitalism isn't the only economic system that's contributed to climate change. Communism was just as bad too, with no commerical pressure to modernise old, inefficient methods of production.

The problem we - well, our children have - is how can you stop and start trying to reverse decades and maybe centuries of damage? At this moment, it seems absolutely impossible that we won't still be producing huge amounts of CO2 in the next 20 years, despite knowing the dangers.

The idea that seas could rise by a metre, no ice in the Arctic, the changing of jetstreams, the changing of sea currents - these are changes on a planetary scale that can't be fixed, or changed quickly or easily. And we still don't fully understand them, or the effects on the rest of the living animals that depend on these systems. We should be everything we possibly can to avoid finding out what the effects would be.

Of course, it's not just climate change though. It's mankinds disregard for the environment and every living thing on the planet. Whether it's cows, chickens, pigs, rainforests, fish, coral reefs, rivers, the air - everything is taken as something to be exploited or abused. When you see packets of ham in the supermarket with bears faces on - that's a sentient, living animal that was reared in captivity, lived an appalling life then killed just in case you wanted to make a 'funny' ham butty. It's absolutely appalling. That sums up how we treat the rest of the living world.

I feel a huge feeling of shame and dread thinking about what world we'll be leaving our children.
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People will just go about in their own little bubble of ignorance (and even I’m guilty of it at times) until reality really does hit home.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
People will just go about in their own little bubble of ignorance (and even I’m guilty of it at times) until reality really does hit home.
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And there in lies the human condition.
Some say capitalism is good and can’t be blamed.
Someone on here keeps saying we are really smart and will do something about it. Relax.
It’s not necessarily our fault.

May well be true, however I feel that if anything is dependant on constant growth then it is unnatural. The natural order is that something grows to maturity and doesn’t grow any further. The same for collective populations of a species.
After all look at what a cancer is. When cells keep growth going beyond the normal. Perhaps that’s capitalism or perhaps that’s what has happened to humans.
I’ve heard this analogy recently. Myself, happen to think we are a virus and will run our course.

Anyway back to the human condition. The thing is we won’t react until we absolutely have no choice and by that I mean globally. Unilaterally.

That most likely will be too late for consequences that will affect the planet for centuries or God knows how long.

Doesn’t mean we become extinct but it makes things very different for generations.
It most likely will also cost the biodiversity of the planet.

I have no faith that we will do anything within my lifetime. We will still be denying the rising sea levels that will wipe out possibly up to 300 sites in Ireland that are already prone to flooding.
What do we expect when we still allow planning permission on flood planes.

Listen there’s countless examples of evidence of these problems that we are aware of increasing. What are the consequences of the weakening Gulf Stream being further diluted by Arctic fresh water until it stops?
Do we want to find out?
Do we think we are smart enough to come up with technology that will switch it back on within a couple of centuries?
Basically Ireland would resemble Newfoundland, climate-wise. Frozen for 8 months, coupled with probably a huge part of the population and industry displaced from the coast. That a huge economical headache for the future.

So there you have it. Keep growing and and think we’ll work it out in the future. The trouble is with climate change we have no past experience to base future performance on. We have models that show us best and worse case scenarios, but that doesn’t ready us for the hidden or unthought of consequences that would and will change human society.


There ye go.
I feel much better now, thanks.
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
Let's be honest, capitalism isn't the only economic system that's contributed to climate change. Communism was just as bad too, with no commerical pressure to modernise old, inefficient methods of production.

The problem we - well, our children have - is how can you stop and start trying to reverse decades and maybe centuries of damage? At this moment, it seems absolutely impossible that we won't still be producing huge amounts of CO2 in the next 20 years, despite knowing the dangers.

The idea that seas could rise by a metre, no ice in the Arctic, the changing of jetstreams, the changing of sea currents - these are changes on a planetary scale that can't be fixed, or changed quickly or easily. And we still don't fully understand them, or the effects on the rest of the living animals that depend on these systems. We should be everything we possibly can to avoid finding out what the effects would be.

Of course, it's not just climate change though. It's mankinds disregard for the environment and every living thing on the planet. Whether it's cows, chickens, pigs, rainforests, fish, coral reefs, rivers, the air - everything is taken as something to be exploited or abused. When you see packets of ham in the supermarket with bears faces on - that's a sentient, living animal that was reared in captivity, lived an appalling life then killed just in case you wanted to make a 'funny' ham butty. It's absolutely appalling. That sums up how we treat the rest of the living world.

I feel a huge feeling of shame and dread thinking about what world we'll be leaving our children.
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Basing this whole thing around CO2 is lunacy, it's almost like we know we can sort that (somehow) so that's all we care about. We could actually become carbon zero tomorrow, all we need to do is stop activities involving fossil fuels, stop driving everywhere and stop eating meat and the problem has now gone away overnight.

Meanwhile however we'll still keep crushing and annihilating everything in sight because that's what is needed to support our current way of life and a growing population. How many people are marching in the streets to stop population growth or to effectively ban consumerism though? No-one seems to realise that we don't need sticking plasters like electric cars or bio-fuelled planes, we need to find a way in which we can remove the need for transport completely.

How else do we think that a virus only found in bats in some random cave 1,000 miles from civilisation found it's way into a market in Wuhan? It's because humans are pushing the boundaries of this planet and destroying and consuming every single bit of it. It will continue until there is absolutely nothing left and no-one will care because at least we met our CO2 target and/or we have a socialist/communist government......

We are fu*ked and well we need to enjoy the next 50-100 years because slowly but surely things like fresh water, green fields, animals, insects and more or less every living thing but us will only be found in pictures in museums. The only thing our children have to look forward to on this subject is walking around desert wastelands eating genetically modified artificially grown shite and drinking their own distilled pi$$.

I sound mad and it sounds like alarmism but the facts are staring at us plainly in the face. Animals and the ecosystem have survived gamma ray bursts, meteorites and super-volcanic eruptions but on current stats they are not surviving this human led extinction event.

www.pnas.org

Vertebrates on the brink as indicators of biological annihilation and the sixth mass extinction

The ongoing sixth mass extinction may be the most serious environmental threat to the persistence of civilization, because it is irreversible. Thousands of populations of critically endangered vertebrate animal species have been lost in a century, indicating that the sixth mass extinction is...
www.pnas.org www.pnas.org

The world's insect populations are plummeting everywhere we look | Natural History Museum

www.nhm.ac.uk www.nhm.ac.uk

ourworldindata.org

Deforestation and Forest Loss

Explore long-term changes in deforestation and deforestation rates across the world today.
ourworldindata.org ourworldindata.org
 
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As we have pushed to expand our boundaries we collectively stuck our heads in the sand and ignored that we were also stretching the limits of sustainability on this fragile planet.

We aren't going to get many more chances to correct our course.
 
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