US Politics Thread

[ChicagoBlue]

So, basically, banks are okay to fleece the taxpayer on a national cos nobody won't go to jail for it.

Cool to know you have a shitty system where nobody represents the people.

Your system is a casino where the house always wins.

No, but then it’s clear you’re not interested in the reality, so I’ll leave it there.

 

[west didsblue]

So when someone does time "at Her Majesty's Pleasure" does that literally mean she's whacking off to every **** going to prison?

It was a figure of speech, you Dick.

And here's the proof you only read what you want to read from the post you give thanks on:

"That is all under the direct authority of the president of the United States and the executive branch that he or she commands and has authority over"

I could play your game and call you a total fucking idiot but I won’t stoop to your level.

You have once again managed to prove my point with your ill judged comparison.

Everyone knows that the Queen plays no role in deciding who goes to jail in the same way that a US President also plays no role in spite of them both being head of state and nominally being the figurehead of the justice organisations of their respective countries.

Your original point was that a Democratic President didn’t ensure that any bankers went to jail as punishment for their roles in the global financial crisis. You then persistently argued that his role put him in a position to influence decisions to prosecute which is clearly outside the bounds of his responsibility whether he actually tries to or not, and you’ve now demonstrated that point by agreeing it was just a figure of speech.

I don’t really expect you to understand what I’ve said and look forward to another response containing specious nonsense that I can laugh at again.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

No, but then it’s clear you’re not interested in the reality, so I’ll leave it there.

'...nobody won't go to jail for it'?

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

 

[Bigga]

I could play your game and call you a total fucking idiot but I won’t stoop to your level.

You have once again managed to prove my point with your ill judged comparison.

Everyone knows that the Queen plays no role in deciding who goes to jail in the same way that a US President also plays no role in spite of them both being head of state and nominally being the figurehead of the justice organisations of their respective countries.

Your original point was that a Democratic President didn’t ensure that any bankers went to jail as punishment for their roles in the global financial crisis. You then persistently argued that his role put him in a position to influence decisions to prosecute which is clearly outside the bounds of his responsibility whether he actually tries to or not, and you’ve now demonstrated that point by agreeing it was just a figure of speech.

I don’t really expect you to understand what I’ve said and look forward to another response containing specious nonsense that I can laugh at again.

Laugh at this, sunshine, hundreds of thousands of people lost their homes in the same period that bankers got fat.

Tell me what part of 'no one of note went to jail' for clear white collar crime, do you love so much?

 

[Bigga]

No, but then it’s clear you’re not interested in the reality, so I’ll leave it there.

The only reality that matters is people lost their homes and no rich bankers paid the price for it. Unless you can show me differently? In my recollection ONE low sacrifice was made for the whole robbery.

In fact, they were rewarded by being bailed out by the very people they fleeced.

Too real?

Cool, we'll leave it there.

 

[west didsblue]

Laugh at this, sunshine, hundreds of thousands of people lost their homes in the same period that bankers got fat.

Tell me what part of 'no one of note went to jail' for clear white collar crime, do you love so much?

First you tell me which part of…

Obama had the power to jail those at fault for the subprime mortgage loans sold to poor families.

…is a figure of speech.

 

[lasereyes]

This Mike Pompeo?

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The guy on the right is the leader of the Taliban Mullah Baradar who was released from prison in 2018 by order of the former President Donald Trump.

Trump and Pompeo cut a deal with the Taliban, hence the current situation. This deal left Biden no choice other than to do what he did. Despite all these so-called TV news experts saying that everyone expected the Afghan government to fold, NOBODY expected it would only take 11 days for them to capitulate.

Sorry bud that is incorrect. The agreement with the Taliban had specific get-out clauses if the peace talks failed - which they did. Biden for some bizarre reason opted to stay in the deal, despite overturning much else of what Trump did domestically.

Secondly, the debate here is not about whether we should be out of Afghanistan. It is about troops leaving before civilians were brought home. It is about Americans being reduced to relying on Taliban to get them to the airport. It is about Americans and Afghans being beaten and otherwise abused. It is about the littany of lies/nonsense from Biden ("Al Qaeda has gone from Afghanistan", "there have been no issues with Americans reaching the airport", "none of our allies have criticized us" to name but a few). He has liberally contradicted his own staff and intelligence - in particular during his mind-numbing interview with Stephanouplos where he claimed that he expected chaos like this when the troops left (shortly after Mark Milley said pretty much the opposite).

I am no defender of Trump - I would sooner vote for Ole at the White House wheel. But this cataclysm is Biden's own doing regardless of what atrocities Trump may have separately perpetrated on the world.

 

[lasereyes]

Sounds like you largely agree with me. Regarding number 3, the GFC started in mid 2007 and the Dems took Congress at the beginning of 2007 after the 2006 elections, so making out they had nearly 2 years to sort out legislation to prevent it is somewhat inaccurate. The collapse of Lehmann's was the culmination of the crisis not the start.

The makings of the crisis actually started in mid 2006 when sub-prime loans started to unravel. But it didn't become a full blown crisis until late summer 2008. The stock market actually hit an all-time high in Sep-2007 and despite the collapse of Bear Stearns in March 2008, they were bought out by JP Morgan and there was no panic of any sort.

But that is not really the point. Both parties supported de-regulation and both received huge dollops of special interest money to stay quiet or even quash regulation (e.g. Barney Frank as I cited). Wall Street donations are fairly evenly divided between the two parties and the 64 ton gorilla Goldman is decidedly Democrat leaning (Hank Paulson being a notable exception).

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I’m getting tired of the notion that people were just hanging around in Afghanistan with no idea that the end date was coming in ONE WEEK!

Did they think they were going to rent a van the day before the USA officially left, fill it with their shit, then drive to the airport and drive it onto a C17 so they could start over wherever they desired?

Anyone still there was either stupid or working for the US (Media, State Dept or Military) and should be accommodated!

The notion that the US military now has to go and supposedly hang around to help provide safe haven for people still in country is ridiculous!

Americans still in Afghanistan at this point SHOULD be on their own.

They knew WHAT was coming, and they knew WHO was coming. They also knew who was GOING and WHEN!!!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

But this cataclysm is Biden's own doing regardless of what atrocities Trump may have separately perpetrated on the world.

Cataclysm?

Hey Joe!

Here’s a shit sandwich! Enjoy!

Oh, and could you do something about the smell???

I’m sure the right wing denigration of the efforts to get people out of Afghanistan has NOTHING to do with the latest COVID spikes in Red States, Trump getting booed in Louisiana for even suggesting people get the vaccine (like Trump did), or the Insurrection and attempted coup on January 6th!

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

So, basically, banks are okay to fleece the taxpayer on a national cos nobody won't go to jail for it.

Cool to know you have a shitty system where nobody represents the people.

Your system is a casino where the house always wins.

Listen to this. Explains Fraud very well, and alludes to some of the reasons why most bankers didn't face any criminal consequences for causing the GFC.

 

[lasereyes]

Biden conveyed it because the CDC did. Did I not make that clear before when I said, “The CDC said that, and he repeated it”? Do you think Joe’s secretly conducting his own research in the West Wing somewhere and independently confirmed the CDC’s findings?

He “strongly conveyed the impression that you are immune”? I don’t think he ever did and I still see no “basically said the same thing” as Trump evidence.

We are talking about science so let’s not make up data and let’s do proper research.

My comment was incorrect - he did not say the same as Trump whose entire handling of Covid and associated statements were beyond atrocious.

But Biden's statements were uneducated and highly unhelpful, conveying an incorrect sense of certitude about the virus risks. Here is one of his speeches so you can judge for itself:
"If you have been fully vaccinated, you no longer need to wear a mask"

As I said before, the CDC has been all over the place. They were saying in March of 2020 when the virus was spreading like wildfire that masks were not necessary. They are pretty discredited in most educated Americans' eyes - my family and friends all do our own independent research around the science and the studies rather than slavishly following the CDC. And this particular statement made no sense at the time. We have no long term data on the efficacy of vaccines and little data on its effectiveness against variants (even less in May when Biden made those statements). Delta was already a growing threat at the time - first cases were detected in Dec-2020.

For Biden to stand there and strongly imply that you are no longer at risk if you are vaccinated was at best highly irresponsible and a material contributor to the worsening infection situation. To cite your own comments, neither her nor the CDC followed the science and their statements were based neither on research nor data.

 

[lasereyes]

Are you fucking kidding me? He was the one Trump sent to sign the peace treaty with the Taliban and mastermind of the US pull out. Are you really that thick?

Firstly, you need to tone it right down or you will have nobody to debate with on this forum. Secondly, your comment is factually inaccurate - I responded to another post explaining why so you can read that.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Listen to this. Explains Fraud very well, and alludes to some of the reasons why most bankers didn't face any criminal consequences for causing the GFC.

“Trustworthy British accent” . . . what the fuck is he on about?? :)

 

[lasereyes]

You are struggling to keep an independent Judiciary and Executive Branch separate….I believe the term you used was “class clown.”

The AG is the Attorney General OF THE UNITED STATES, not the President. The President has his own attorney called the General Counsel.

The banks fall under the auspices of the Treasury Department, and, to some extent, the Federal Reserve. The President makes those selections, but they’re approved and overseen by Congress.

Congress can take up the case of their constituents against the banks, if they do choose, and can change the laws under which they operate, but lawsuits seeking recompense are often private issues taken by law firms on contingency. However, if an issue is large enough, or the class action covers a significant enough segment of the population, the Oversight Powers within Congress have the right to act independently or in concert with lawsuits.

The AG doesn’t work for the President…or didn’t until Trump tried to make him his bitch…but for the USA. Trump openly admits he didn’t understand what powers the President had and didn’t have when he won the election. Further proof of his, and millions of Americans’, idiocy.

Can't pin this one totally on Trump. Loretta Lynch and Eric Holder were both in the sack with Democratic Presidents. Trump brought a special breed of brain-deadedness to the White House but corruption and milking the system are as old as prostitution.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Reading every post and reaction I‘m gobsmacked at the level of childish debate.

Fuck you, cunts, it’s a muffin!

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Seems somebody is about to go through some 'things'...

 

[lasereyes]

Cataclysm?

Hey Joe!

Here’s a shit sandwich! Enjoy!

Oh, and could you do something about the smell???

I’m sure the right wing denigration of the efforts to get people out of Afghanistan has NOTHING to do with the latest COVID spikes in Red States, Trump getting booed in Louisiana for even suggesting people get the vaccine (like Trump did), or the Insurrection and attempted coup on January 6th!

I've no idea what this diatribe means, but you reveal your rabid bias by the bolded. You do realize that Jack Reed, the Chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee has echoed several other Democrats in calling for hearings on what went wrong? And leaders around the globe have roundly condemned the White House's actions? I guess you don't ...

Disbelief and betrayal: Europe reacts to Biden’s Afghanistan ‘miscalculation’

‘This does fundamental damage to the political and moral credibility of the West,’ says senior German lawmaker.

www.politico.eu

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Sorry bud that is incorrect. The agreement with the Taliban had specific get-out clauses if the peace talks failed - which they did. Biden for some bizarre reason opted to stay in the deal, despite overturning much else of what Trump did domestically.

Secondly, the debate here is not about whether we should be out of Afghanistan. It is about troops leaving before civilians were brought home. It is about Americans being reduced to relying on Taliban to get them to the airport. It is about Americans and Afghans being beaten and otherwise abused. It is about the littany of lies/nonsense from Biden ("Al Qaeda has gone from Afghanistan", "there have been no issues with Americans reaching the airport", "none of our allies have criticized us" to name but a few). He has liberally contradicted his own staff and intelligence - in particular during his mind-numbing interview with Stephanouplos where he claimed that he expected chaos like this when the troops left (shortly after Mark Milley said pretty much the opposite).

I am no defender of Trump - I would sooner vote for Ole at the White House wheel. But this cataclysm is Biden's own doing regardless of what atrocities Trump may have separately perpetrated on the world.

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