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hilts said:
Yeah it’s why I mentioned the 7 year rule. I don’t know how we get round the fact people know it’s a problem but want everyone else to pay for it.

These threads just turn into bankers bonuses posts. It’d been done over and over again for everything the country needs. There is probably a small % of voters that decide our election results. Tax them enough and it’s bye bye time.
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There is occasional digression towards how multinationals don’t pay any tax and if they did, we’d be able to fund social care though.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
There is occasional digression towards how multinationals don’t pay any tax and if they did, we’d be able to fund social care though.
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There is and it’s probably been mentioned in here already, these companies that were mentioned when it became high profile following austerity still do a roaring trade. The public were enraged but not enough to pay a couple of quid more somewhere else.

Unfortunately you can’t get away from the fact any govt doesn’t need consensus of the whole population just enough to get them over the line. And people are generally hypocritical and when it comes down to it they will vote and shop with their wallet.
 
hilts said:
There is and it’s probably been mentioned in here already, these companies that were mentioned when it became high profile following austerity still do a roaring trade. The public were enraged but not enough to pay a couple of quid more somewhere else.

Unfortunately you can’t get away from the fact any govt doesn’t need consensus of the whole population just enough to get them over the line. And people are generally hypocritical and when it comes down to it they will vote and shop with their wallet.
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A bit like China. Everyone moans about how China pollute one of the worst and yet nobody boycotts Chinese products.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
A bit like China. Everyone moans about how China pollute one of the worst and yet nobody boycotts Chinese products.
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Absolutely we are all hypocrites it’s why the only option I can think of is finding the best way to use peoples materialism/greed for the betterment of society. I prefer a complete overhaul of society but it ain’t happenening. Society doesn’t get a say anymore anyhow. Parties have a demographic they need to pander to. If you fight for fairness you end up somewhat in the wilderness.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
if the parents owned there own home outright .. then they almost certainly worked for it paid tax and national insurance stamps No way should they be forced to sell for the care of his mother.

Did they say the age of his mother because the only way I would sanction selling your house for care is if you hod a house worth in excess of 2,million but let’s face any one with that sort of house already bought private health insurance and can afford easily a private home or buy live in care
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How do you know they didn't inherit it or bought it after receiving a large windfall themselves?
 
East Level 2 said:
Paid NI contributions for 44 years? Are you sure about that?
But I agree with the principle that those on full state pension have already made a huge contribution.
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Yes I’m sure 44years for men 39years for women, anyone over the age of 71yrs may have left school at 15yrs, paid 16 percent interest rate on there first home, during 1970 while wages were low if that wasn’t bad enough the money pinching MP’s want to make them pay again.

Most people on here are young I think but now opportunities are a lot less. That’s what has changed the divide between rich and poor is even greater than it was before, someone earlier said spend your money and enjoy it
 
hilts said:
Absolutely we are all hypocrites it’s why the only option I can think of is finding the best way to use peoples materialism/greed for the betterment of society. I prefer a complete overhaul of society but it ain’t happenening. Society doesn’t get a say anymore anyhow. Parties have a demographic they need to pander to. If you fight for fairness you end up somewhat in the wilderness.
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The odd thing is both parties don't want to do the slightest thing that affects the to percentile in any way. Both could exploit Brexit on this in that those people can not just flit abroad because ironically something the probably voted for makes that harder - I can see why the Tories want none of that mentioned but why that is for Labour is beyond me
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Yes I’m sure 44years for men 39years for women, anyone over the age of 71yrs may have left school at 15yrs, paid 16 percent interest rate on there first home, during 1970 while wages were low if that wasn’t bad enough the money pinching MP’s want to make them pay again.

Most people on here are young I think but now opportunities are a lot less. That’s what has changed the divide between rich and poor is even greater than it was before, someone earlier said spend your money and enjoy it
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If it was that difficult in the 70s (saving £300 for a deposit on a terrace house in Manchester, maybe 20 times weekly pay) we wouldn't have had the rise in home ownership that means many over-70s are already enjoying the inheritance from their parents. Tax the rich, however old they are.
 
Vic said:
If it was that difficult in the 70s (saving £300 for a deposit on a terrace house in Manchester, maybe 20 times weekly pay) we wouldn't have had the rise in home ownership that means many over-70s are already enjoying the inheritance from their parents. Tax the rich, however old they are.
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How on earth do you make that? "Many over-70's enjoying the inheritance from their parents,'?? Many, many people my age (72) didn't get any inheritance and hence had to save for many years for a deposit AND mortgages were rationed in the early 70's making it doubly difficult to buy a house. Then we had to go through a period of eye watering interest rates (well into double figures) which made making ends meet very difficult indeed. Of course most people on here will not know this because they are to young.

It would appear that a lot of young people thought we oldies had it easy. Inflation through the roof, strikes every week, record unemployment and don't get me started on the state of housing and education.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
How on earth do you make that? "Many over-70's enjoying the inheritance from their parents,'?? Many, many people my age (72) didn't get any inheritance and hence had to save for many years for a deposit AND mortgages were rationed in the early 70's making it doubly difficult to buy a house. Then we had to go through a period of eye watering interest rates (well into double figures) which made making ends meet very difficult indeed. Of course most people on here will not know this because they are to young.

It would appear that a lot of young people thought we oldies had it easy. Inflation through the roof, strikes every week, record unemployment and don't get me started on the state of housing and education.
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Gosh, four Yorkshiremen territory...

If you had to save for years for a deposit on a house you must have been either very badly paid, wanted something more than a 2-up 2-down terrace, or not been very good at saving.

1970:
Average yearly wage: £1,204
Average house price: £4,690
The average house cost 3.89 x the average yearly salary.

2019:
Average yearly wage: £26,208
Average house price: £234,853
The average house costs 8.96 x the average yearly salary.
 
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