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Octavian said:
Care homes was a total fuck up I absolutely agree, I don’t think the PPE scandal could have made much difference, there were shortages everywhere.

No doubt some lives could have been saved regarding PPE but the care homes cost the most lives.

The Iraq war was totally avoidable and Covid wasn’t, the Iraq war lie is infinitely bigger and more destructive than any individual lie Johnson has ever told @Alan Harper's Tash

Both men should be facing charges but Blair should have a life sentence.
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What charge should Blair face?
 
The Conservative Party is now the party owned by hedge funds and oligarchs.

Labour need to hammer this message home and come up with policies curbing their political influence.
 
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Chris in London said:
What charge should Blair face?
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None. The obsession with Blair and the Iraq war by some on here is unhealthy.

I didn’t agree with the decision and didn’t think there were any WMD’s (if Iraq had any, the US would never have invaded), and I recall public opinion been in favour of it, which should have been a red flag from the off :)

I’d take Blair over the incompetent Trump wannabe Johnson, though.
 
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BobKowalski said:
None. The obsession with Blair and the Iraq war by some on here is unhealthy.

I didn’t agree with the decision and didn’t think there were any WMD’s (if Iraq had any, the US would never have invaded), and I recall public opinion been in favour of it, which should have been a red flag from the off :)

I’d take Blair over the incompetent Trump wannabe Johnson, though.
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Blair and Cameron were of the same ilk. Well meaning but ultimately out of their depth and presiding over two of the great calamities to impact us since ww2.
 
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BobKowalski said:
None. The obsession with Blair and the Iraq war by some on here is unhealthy.

I didn’t agree with the decision and didn’t think there were any WMD’s (if Iraq had any, the US would never have invaded), and I recall public opinion been in favour of it, which should have been a red flag from the off :)

I’d take Blair over the incompetent Trump wannabe Johnson, though.
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The suggestion he should face charges presupposes he committed a crime.

I’m interested in what crime this poster thinks he committed.

A fiver says he comes up with some bullshit
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Blair and Cameron were of the same ilk. Well meaning but ultimately out of their depth and presiding over two of the great calamities to impact us since ww2.
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Blair didn’t invade Iraq. He took the decision under immense pressure from the USA to support their invasion to preserve what he felt was Britain’s greatest asset in an unstable world - its “special relationship” with the world’s biggest superpower.

Cameron made one colossal miscalculation which will haunt him forever. That miscalculation ultimately resulted in the destruction of that special relationship as we excruciatingly saw last week.

Both look like intellectual and moral giants compared to the pieces of empty shit we have in government today.
 
Chris in London said:
The suggestion he should face charges presupposes he committed a crime.

I’m interested in what crime this poster thinks he committed.

A fiver says he comes up with some bullshit
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As far as I can remember Chilcott criticised him but did not say he committed any offences.
It’s weird that so many people on the right and left all think otherwise without the benefit of seeing all the evidence available to the inquiry.
 
Rascal said:
I wonder if people actually realise that on the vote for war in Iraq only 2 Tories voted against it, 84 labour MPs voted against including one Jeremy Corbyn.

If the Tory party acting in the "National interest" they love to go on about had actually all voted against the war, it would never have happened.

I am no fan of Blair, but on this issue the Tories were complicit.
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Never let the truth get in the way of a good smearing. Just the same as Corbyn.
 
mat said:
The Conservative Party is now the party owned by hedge funds and oligarchs.

Labour need to hammer this message home and come up with policies curbing their political influence.
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Have you read any of Thomas Pikkety's stuff?

* ask in response to your post above. i honestly believe the seeds for the argument that what smash the tories to bits is to be found in there. turn that into something succinct enough that can get it out the general public and it's bulletproof. reason i initially got behind corbyn was mainly mcdonnall, who was talking about those ideas, and he was right
 
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Didsbury Dave said:
Blair didn’t invade Iraq. He took the decision under immense pressure from the USA to support their invasion to preserve what he felt was Britain’s greatest asset in an unstable world - its “special relationship” with the world’s biggest superpower.

Cameron made one colossal miscalculation which will haunt him forever. That miscalculation ultimately resulted in the destruction of that special relationship as we excruciatingly saw last week.

Both look like intellectual and moral giants compared to the pieces of empty shit we have in government today.
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I actually agree with you for the most part. The Question for Blair was ‘does he support Bush or not’ the answer was written in the history of the previous years of U.K. politics. Of Course He Will. Was the obvious answer.
Cameron made a huge miscalculation and I hope he regrets it for the rest of his life as we will.
Both of them well meaning. Both of them with their own strengths although I will always tend towards Blair for the good he did. But when the chips are down and the nation is faced with a defining choice. Both failed.
 
west didsblue said:
You didn’t say that, and I didn’t say he couldn’t have done worse. I said he couldn’t have done much worse. Then you went on and gave two examples which are arguable at best.

He cornered the market in securing vaccines which got us 6 weeks ahead of the EU. It somewhat mitigated his fuck up of letting in delta early but you can’t really credit him for that. The EU have caught up now so all the ill will generated was a bit pointless other than for bragging rights.

The lockdown last winter was a month late. If he’d gone a month earlier most scientists reckoned it would have been a shorter lockdown and we wouldn’t have been hit as hard in January. So again, he could have done slightly worse by not locking down but he certainly could and should have done much better.
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Cornered the market? I'm a bit disappointed that the EU dropped the case against AZ as it would have revealed what was in the UK contract with AZ that gave the UK priority (despite the AZ warranty in their EU contract that there were no other such contracts).
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s not just that. It’s the fact Blair’s lie about the dossier destroys his entire tenure. How many lies has Boris told and yet Blair is worse?!
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The fact is the tories would have done exactly the same as Blair. We knew the tories were sycophants where the yanks were concerned. Blair just turned out to be a disappointment really.
 
Vic said:
Cornered the market? I'm a bit disappointed that the EU dropped the case against AZ as it would have revealed what was in the UK contract with AZ that gave the UK priority (despite the AZ warranty in their EU contract that there were no other such contracts).
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They had already established that in the Belgium courts. Irish Times -

‘Belgian court finds AstraZeneca "deliberately violated" contract with the EU by excluding British factory Oxford Biomedica in supplying contracted vaccines, and orders it to use the factory if needed to meet orders.
"AstraZeneca did not make its "Best Reasonable Efforts" it finds‘

The EU has sidelined AZ, and agreed a schedule on production into next year. These AZ vaccines will go to export/Covax.
 
hilts said:
The fact is the tories would have done exactly the same as Blair. We knew the tories were sycophants where the yanks were concerned. Blair just turned out to be a disappointment really.
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Absolutely he could have been better. He was far better than any Tory PM in my lifetime though.

When we’re the country’s happiest years of the past 50 years? One could argue 2012 because of the Olympics and Jubilee, but other than that, they’d coincide with Blair.
 
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