Religion

[vmsuhail]

Cassic subjective interpretation of the religious scrips to help shape the narrative. Always deliberately vague.

Or it is deliberately vague so that people can understand it as per the knowledge of the times they live in.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Or it is deliberately vague so that people can understand it as per the knowledge of the times they live in.

How can you understand something such as the King James bible when it is contradictory?

Also, knowledge of the times they live in? Knowledge has advanced, yet the modern texts has not been updated to reflect this.

 

[MaineDAWG2008]

How can you understand something such as the King James bible when it is contradictory?

Also, knowledge of the times they live in? Knowledge has advanced, yet the modern texts has not been updated to reflect this.

You mention King James bible.............. just did a google search on him, some articles indicate that he was gay (im not a homophobe), and others pointed towards displaying similar emotions towards animals.

But going back to the old testament, it forbid homosexuality? See this bit confuses me about Christianity. Unless someone out there can clarify on this matter.

 

[manimanc]

Left back for Spuds has his own thread?

Why?

 

[Tangled up in blue.]

I'm glad I'm not religious, I'm happy being in my world

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

Can't be a product. The exist eternally . Uncreated .

Okay. I can go with that. But how do those logical laws relate to the existence of suffering in this world?

For example, some babies are born with epidermolysis bullosa, a genetic skin disease that causes blistering all over the body, so that the baby cannot be held, or even lie on its back without pain. It seems odd to think that there is some kind of cosmic purpose to this illness that is grounded in the laws of logic.

As the philosopher James Rachels has pointed out in one of his publications, “The problem is that the world contains vastly more evil than is necessary for an appreciation of the good. If, say, only half the number of people died every year of cancer, that would be plenty to motivate the appreciation of health. And because we already have cancer to contend with, we don’t really need epidermolysis bullosa, much less AIDS, muscular dystrophy, cerebral palsy, spina bifida, diphtheria, Ebola, heart disease, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, and bubonic plague.”

Rachels continues:

‘The need to develop moral character might explain why there must be some evil in the world, but there is far more evil than is necessary for such a purpose: there is stunning, overpowering evil that crushes the life out of people. If we already have AIDS, muscular dystrophy, cerebral palsy, and spina bifida, do we need Ebola as well? If the people of Guatemala are poor and hungry, do they need an earthquake on top of it?’…’The amount of evil in the world could be reduced by two-thirds and there would still be more than we could handle.’

More recently, Stephen Law has argued that the notion that this world is the creation of an evil God who deliberately subjects us to a process of character destruction over the course of our lives is every bit as plausible as the more traditional, theistic assertion that God permits suffering to build character. Such an evil God might, for example, allow us to have children to love so as to cause us to worry agonizingly about them.

This evil God also provides us with healthy young bodies so that we can slowly be deprived of that health and vitality over the course of our lives. By giving us something wonderful for a while, and then gradually taking it away, an evil God can make us suffer even more than if we had never had it in the first place. Law’s point is to undermine the reasonableness of traditional theodicies that attempt to explain why God permits evil and suffering on a vast scale.

As far as I am concerned, your God of logic is the worst kind of sadist, nothing less than a homicidal maniac.

 

[paulsimpson]

Yep, considering he's an all knowing God, he wasn't half vague and managed to get somethings total wrong about how the earth and universe work.

In the bible there is a pattern for our week which is 6 days and on the 7th God rested or stopped creating.
Exodus 20: in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” This is a direct reference to God’s creation week in Genesis 1. To be consistent (and we must be), whatever is used as the meaning of the word “day” in Genesis 1 must also be used here. If you are going to say the word “day” means a long period of time the only way this can be is in the sense of the “day” being an indefinite or indeterminate period of time, not a definite period of time. Thus, the sense of Exodus 20: would have to be “six indefinite periods will you labor and rest a seventh indefinite period.” This, however, makes no sense at all. The days are not long periods. By accepting the days as ordinary days, we understand that God is telling us He worked for six ordinary days ( he could have made the universe in 6 seconds if He had wanted) and rested one ordinary day to set a pattern for man—the pattern of our seven-day week which we still have today.
During the French revolution they tried to change that 7 day week to 11 days but it didn't work as the working week was too long and people were getting no rest . So the weekly pattern man tried to manipulate and it went against him. It appears God does know best .

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

In the bible there is a pattern for our week which is 6 days and on the 7th God rested or stopped creating.
Exodus 20: in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” This is a direct reference to God’s creation week in Genesis 1. To be consistent (and we must be), whatever is used as the meaning of the word “day” in Genesis 1 must also be used here. If you are going to say the word “day” means a long period of time the only way this can be is in the sense of the “day” being an indefinite or indeterminate period of time, not a definite period of time. Thus, the sense of Exodus 20: would have to be “six indefinite periods will you labor and rest a seventh indefinite period.” This, however, makes no sense at all. The days are not long periods. By accepting the days as ordinary days, we understand that God is telling us He worked for six ordinary days ( he could have made the universe in 6 seconds if He had wanted) and rested one ordinary day to set a pattern for man—the pattern of our seven-day week which we still have today.
During the French revolution they tried to change that 7 day week to 11 days but it didn't work as the working week was too long and people were getting no rest . So the weekly pattern man tried to manipulate and it went against him. It appears God does know best .

This is just utter nonsense (apart from the bit about the French wanting to change the length of a week).

 

[jimharri]

 

[Phil1]

This is just utter nonsense (apart from the bit about the French wanting to change the length of a week).

His last 4 words just made me cringe so hard I think I've cracked a couple of ribs.

 

[Bigg Bigg Blue]

Erich von Daeniken knows the truth

 

[Elbow beards]

In the bible there is a pattern for our week which is 6 days and on the 7th God rested or stopped creating.
Exodus 20: in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” This is a direct reference to God’s creation week in Genesis 1. To be consistent (and we must be), whatever is used as the meaning of the word “day” in Genesis 1 must also be used here. If you are going to say the word “day” means a long period of time the only way this can be is in the sense of the “day” being an indefinite or indeterminate period of time, not a definite period of time. Thus, the sense of Exodus 20: would have to be “six indefinite periods will you labor and rest a seventh indefinite period.” This, however, makes no sense at all. The days are not long periods. By accepting the days as ordinary days, we understand that God is telling us He worked for six ordinary days ( he could have made the universe in 6 seconds if He had wanted) and rested one ordinary day to set a pattern for man—the pattern of our seven-day week which we still have today.
During the French revolution they tried to change that 7 day week to 11 days but it didn't work as the working week was too long and people were getting no rest . So the weekly pattern man tried to manipulate and it went against him. It appears God does know best .

So, I've created the universe, I know exactly how long it took me and in which order, but I decide to tell people that I did it in a random amount of time and in the wrong order!! Also I decide to throw a few facts in there that are completely wrong (you'd have thought God knew how rain is formed, but apparently not, it's due to a big colander in the sky according to him) . It's almost as if some nomadic people, that didn't know anything about science and their world view extended to the desert they lived in, wrote it.
Oh, and by the way, the babylonians invented the 7 day week hundreds of years before your so called saviour walked the earth.
P.s. Why would someone take 6 days to do something they could do in 6 seconds, then complain they're knackered after it??

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

In the bible there is a pattern for our week which is 6 days and on the 7th God rested or stopped creating.
Exodus 20: in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” This is a direct reference to God’s creation week in Genesis 1. To be consistent (and we must be), whatever is used as the meaning of the word “day” in Genesis 1 must also be used here. If you are going to say the word “day” means a long period of time the only way this can be is in the sense of the “day” being an indefinite or indeterminate period of time, not a definite period of time. Thus, the sense of Exodus 20: would have to be “six indefinite periods will you labor and rest a seventh indefinite period.” This, however, makes no sense at all. The days are not long periods. By accepting the days as ordinary days, we understand that God is telling us He worked for six ordinary days ( he could have made the universe in 6 seconds if He had wanted) and rested one ordinary day to set a pattern for man—the pattern of our seven-day week which we still have today.
During the French revolution they tried to change that 7 day week to 11 days but it didn't work as the working week was too long and people were getting no rest . So the weekly pattern man tried to manipulate and it went against him. It appears God does know best .

Wow. This comment isn’t intended to start a discussion (at least with you), as I know we’ll never agree so no point, but ‘holy shit’ seems an appropriate comment to make at this juncture, as it has more than one relevant meaning in relation to what you just posted.

I sincerely hope anyone who’s on the fence regarding religion reads that post and is shocked into thinking ‘i’m just a lighter version of this guy’ and subsequently ducks away from religion.

 

[feelymcfeel]

It's almost as if some nomadic people, that didn't know anything about science and their world view extended to the desert they lived in, wrote it.

Weird that, isn't it.

 

[Marklr]

In the bible there is a pattern for our week which is 6 days and on the 7th God rested or stopped creating.
Exodus 20: in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” This is a direct reference to God’s creation week in Genesis 1. To be consistent (and we must be), whatever is used as the meaning of the word “day” in Genesis 1 must also be used here. If you are going to say the word “day” means a long period of time the only way this can be is in the sense of the “day” being an indefinite or indeterminate period of time, not a definite period of time. Thus, the sense of Exodus 20: would have to be “six indefinite periods will you labor and rest a seventh indefinite period.” This, however, makes no sense at all. The days are not long periods. By accepting the days as ordinary days, we understand that God is telling us He worked for six ordinary days ( he could have made the universe in 6 seconds if He had wanted) and rested one ordinary day to set a pattern for man—the pattern of our seven-day week which we still have today.
During the French revolution they tried to change that 7 day week to 11 days but it didn't work as the working week was too long and people were getting no rest . So the weekly pattern man tried to manipulate and it went against him. It appears God does know best .

What a load of bollox. Why does the bible get the order of everything wrong? The Earth was made before the Sun? Whoops.
Do you have to ignore certain bible passages to be able to believe? Or to avoid shame? Funny how some passages are ignored.

 

[jazzy]

Never been religious, doubt I ever will

 

[1.618034]

In the bible there is a pattern for our week which is 6 days and on the 7th God rested or stopped creating.
Exodus 20: in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” This is a direct reference to God’s creation week in Genesis 1. To be consistent (and we must be), whatever is used as the meaning of the word “day” in Genesis 1 must also be used here. If you are going to say the word “day” means a long period of time the only way this can be is in the sense of the “day” being an indefinite or indeterminate period of time, not a definite period of time. Thus, the sense of Exodus 20: would have to be “six indefinite periods will you labor and rest a seventh indefinite period.” This, however, makes no sense at all. The days are not long periods. By accepting the days as ordinary days, we understand that God is telling us He worked for six ordinary days ( he could have made the universe in 6 seconds if He had wanted) and rested one ordinary day to set a pattern for man—the pattern of our seven-day week which we still have today.
During the French revolution they tried to change that 7 day week to 11 days but it didn't work as the working week was too long and people were getting no rest . So the weekly pattern man tried to manipulate and it went against him. It appears God does know best .

A week is 7 days because it follows the moon's cycle, 28 days for full cycle, split into quarters to reflect New, Half-Waxing, Full, Half-waning... not because it said so in the bible!

Plus this is variable and has been since the Earth had a moon. It didn't always have one.

Plus, It's drifting away, so eventually we should have 8-day weeks. How does that fit with the good book?

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[denislawsbackheel]

Erich von Daeniken knows the truth

What a conman he was!

 

[JASR]

What a load of bollox. Why does the bible get the order of everything wrong? The Earth was made before the Sun? Whoops.
Do you have to ignore certain bible passages to be able to believe? Or to avoid shame? Funny how some passages are ignored.

yes, and he's never answered a simple question, of 'do you follow the bible entirely?' - with regard to simple things like shellfish, mixed material clothing, tattoos, and women talking only when told to.

Same thing happens so many times:
Random zealot pops up on the forum
Spouts religious tranche
Gets asked to answer a few questions about how they can 'religiously' follow a book written by human's based on knowledge of life/world/universe at that time of writing book, with specific examples.
Ignores questions, or goes off to find 'How to answer sceptics questions 101' and quotes verbatim.
Digs out his/her next religious tranche 2.0 and repeats that.

 

[Elbow beards]

yes, and he's never answered a simple question, of 'do you follow the bible entirely?' - with regard to simple things like shellfish, mixed material clothing, tattoos, and women talking only when told to.

Same thing happens so many times:
Random zealot pops up on the forum
Spouts religious tranche
Gets asked to answer a few questions about how they can 'religiously' follow a book written by human's based on knowledge of life/world/universe at that time of writing book, with specific examples.
Ignores questions, or goes off to find 'How to answer sceptics questions 101' and quotes verbatim.
Digs out his/her next religious tranche 2.0 and repeats that.

Ye same mind set as the conspiracy nuts and flat earthers. When asked a reasonable question or to provide proof they just put their fingers in their ears and go ' blah, blah, blah not listening'