Manchester United (A) - Sat 6 Nov 12:30 | Pre-Match Thread

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Strange feeling these current derby games. City are run better on and off the field. You only need to look at our commercial growth and bulging trophy cabinet. Yet we somehow have allowed these cretins get the upper hand over the last 3 seasons. Enough of the fucking about City. Put these shower of rag cunts back in their box.
 
even if we smash them it’s going to be very close and nervous to the end.
1-0 2-1 job
 
Come on you fuckers, let’s av it!

Poor record against these of late. Last season’s EFL Cup win is the only win against them in the last 5 derbies and we’ve not won any of the last four Prem derbies and not even scored in the last three of them.

Talk about “due a win” against these cunts… COME ON!
 
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jimharri said:
I hate derby days. That sickly feeling in the pit of my stomach at the thought of losing to that shower. And don't tell me that we're a better team than them; I'm fully aware of that. On paper, we should sleepwalk to a win. Which has been the case for a decade now. So, how come our recent (three or four years) record is mixed against them? They did us three times in four meetings last year. I just want the game over and done with, preferably with a comfortable win.
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Even over the last decade, not just 3 or 4 years, it’s not the kind of record you’d expect with our general dominance.

Since the turn of 2011:

28 derbies
13 wins
3 draws
12 defeats

We have failed to beat them more often than we’ve beaten them, even over 10 years.
 
ancoats said:
the palace game the referee control it and city players lost their cool. from the keeper wasting time from the kick off only to get booked in the 85th minute. laporte sending off and zaha being a c*nt all game letting palace kick us of the park

yes we should know by now what the other team will do and the officials turning a blind eye to it
also missed chances are the nightmares pep must suffer. even in winning we do miss far to much for a great team
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We were crap against Palace, first half was abysmal. Kept giving the ball away constantly.
Hope we play better today.
 
jimharri said:
I hate derby days. That sickly feeling in the pit of my stomach at the thought of losing to that shower. And don't tell me that we're a better team than them; I'm fully aware of that. On paper, we should sleepwalk to a win. Which has been the case for a decade now. So, how come our recent (three or four years) record is mixed against them? They did us three times in four meetings last year. I just want the game over and done with, preferably with a comfortable win.
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Doesn’t matter who the better team when it comes to any derby.

Before the takeover City had the fourth best record against United of any team in the Premier League era, only Arsenal Chelsea and Liverpool had taken more points off them than us (we took 25 points off them in 22 games from 1992-2008, and that’s with four years out of the Prem!)

And as @Tricky_Trev says, while we’ve been the better team in the last decade we’ve not won more games than we have won against them.
 
nellyonthewing said:
I think they’ll come out fast at us , not allow us to settle into any passing rhythm . If they score 1 or 2 then they’ll park the bus and pick us off on the break . We’ll see ! I hate derbies and will adopt my usual position shouting at the tv from behind the settee. Come on City prove me wrong again.
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I think it'll be the opposite. They will sit back from the first minute and try to hoof it up to Ronaldo as fas as possible. It'll be up to us to break them down.

The garden gnome won't want a repeat of the Liverpool game where they tried that and got ripped apart in the first 30 minutes. Well have at least 60% possession. My main concern is is that we don't do anything with it
 
Tricky_Trev said:
Even over the last decade, not just 3 or 4 years, it’s not the kind of record you’d expect with our general dominance.

Since the turn of 2011:

28 derbies
13 wins
3 draws
12 defeats

We have failed to beat them more often than we’ve beaten them, even over 10 years.
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Indeed. I guess we only feel it's a decent record as we're comparing it to the thirty odd years that preceded it. For various reasons (some to do with us, some to do with them), our record was horrendous.
 
jimharri said:
I hate derby days. That sickly feeling in the pit of my stomach at the thought of losing to that shower. And don't tell me that we're a better team than them; I'm fully aware of that. On paper, we should sleepwalk to a win. Which has been the case for a decade now. So, how come our recent (three or four years) record is mixed against them? They did us three times in four meetings last year. I just want the game over and done with, preferably with a comfortable win.
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I know exactly how you feel. I feel the same. I've not got a good feeling about this (but then I never have).

We seem to be overawed by them - I don't know why. It's time we turned up for the full 90+ minutes, instead of dominating only a part of the game.

Turn it on, City. You know you're a cut above those rats.
 
wolviedinho said:
Yet we somehow have allowed these cretins get the upper hand over the last 3 seasons.
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Last 2 seasons, in the league.

18/19 we beat them twice in the league, with the 2nd win at OT being absolutely crucial.

19/20 they beat us twice in the league, 2nd game at OT we played 5-6 squad players due to having a difficult schedule and expecting to play the 2nd leg vs Real. BUT we beat them in the league cup and stopped them from winning a trophy.

20/21 we drew at OT and lost at the Etihad in the PL. But before the game we were 14 pts clear at the top, the league was largely decided, and we didn't play our very best XI back then (Bernardo was rested in order to help Kevin regain form). AND we beat them at OT in the league cup, thus stopping them from winning a trophy again. So, draw, win, loss that season.

In short, overall (all competitions included) they had better results only in 19/20. And that season we still managed to win a trophy at their expense.
 
alexmcity said:
Last 2 seasons, in the league.

18/19 we beat them twice in the league, with the 2nd win at OT being absolutely crucial.

19/20 they beat us twice in the league, 2nd game at OT we played 5-6 squad players due to having a difficult schedule and expecting to play the 2nd leg vs Real. BUT we beat them in the league cup and stopped them from winning a trophy.

20/21 we drew at OT and lost at the Etihad in the PL. But before the game we were 14 pts clear at the top, the league was largely decided, and we didn't play our very best XI back then (Bernardo was rested in order to help Kevin regain form). AND we beat them at OT in the league cup, thus stopping them from winning a trophy again. So, draw, win, loss that season.

In short, overall (all competitions included) they had better results only in 19/20. And that season we still managed to win a trophy at their expense.
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In the wider context and talking rationally (like you have there), this is simply just another game and we’ve won 10 trophies since they last won one.

But in terms of the derby itself it’s a poor showing of late:
Last 5 (all comps): W1 D1 L3 F2 A7
Last 4 (Prem): W0 D1 L3 F1 A6
Last 3 Prem derbies we haven’t scored a single goal.

As much as the wider context is important for the entire rest of the year, during the 90minutes on that strip of grass the only thing that matters is the derby. And we need to pull our bloody fingers out.

If I was Pep today I’d walk into the changing rooms, not say a single word, write that recent record up on the whiteboard, and walk back out again.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Before the takeover City had the fourth best record against United of any team in the Premier League era, only Arsenal Chelsea and Liverpool had taken more points off them than us (we took 25 points off them in 22 games from 1992-2008, and that’s with four years out of the Prem!)
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I often dream back in reverie to that pre-Premier League 5-1 and think how close we came to getting Ferguson sacked. Alternative histories, eh? What would the balance of power been in the following twenty years? I suppose they had a very talented crop of youngsters coming through anyway, so even a moron would have got them some trophies. I'm absolutely certain, though, that they wouldn't have established the two-decade hegemony which — barring some incursions from Arsenal and later Chelsea — they held.

I'll be honest. During the sixties, I didn't hate them that much. During the seventies and eighties, they were just another club with its ups and down. I could work up some hatred for them.
But I truly, truly loathed them during those twenty years. Their arrogance, that twat of a manager, that thug of a player Keane. And above all meeting millions of plastics all over the world chanting “United, United, United” like a lobotomised mantra. Thank God that nightmare is never going to come again…
 
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Just gotta smash the giddy c*nts simple as would love Bernardo to score and do a sui in front of Stretford
 
We need to just play our normal game, take our chances, get a lead, bring Ferna on for the last 30 mins to shut the game down and get the fuck out of the place.
 
Ever time we drew or got beat we have missed loads of chances while they usually bag with there first chance. Take our chances we win simple.
 
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