Liverpool terror attack

Liverpool Women's Hospital.

Images from outside the hospital on Sunday show a car enveloped in flames, before burning out.

Merseyside Police confirmed "an incident occurred at around 11am".

"A cordon around the affected area has been established and a number of surrounding roads have been closed," a spokesperson said.

"Emergency services are currently at the scene assessing the situation.


Dont jump to conclusions
 
One person has died after a car exploded outside Liverpool's Women's Hospital with counter terrorism police taking over the investigation.

Another person who has been taken to hospital with serious injuries is not believed to be in a life threatening condition.
In a press briefing, police urged the public to remain calm but vigilant after confirming there had been one fatality.

Detectives said in an update this afternoon they are keeping an open mind as to the cause of the incident.

But out of caution counter terrorism police will be leading the investigation
 
Merseyside Police will have to call in experts that actually solve crimes for this one.

They are right to cover all bases before being able to confirm a possible cause.
 
paulchapo said:
For it to happen at 11am on rememberence Sunday seems a bit too coincidental, but time will tell
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Seems a very strange place to target though if it was anything like that (although the fact that counter-terrorism police are involved would suggest it was), but of all the places, why the car park of a women's hospital in Liverpool? Surely they'd do it close to one of the hundreds of services at cenotaphs anywhere up and down the country?
 
Bluemoon dan said:
Seems a very strange place to target though if it was anything like that (although the fact that counter-terrorism police are involved would suggest it was), but of all the places, why the car park of a women's hospital in Liverpool? Surely they'd do it close to one of the hundreds of services at cenotaphs anywhere up and down the country?
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No reason it couldn't have gone off by accident.

Otherwise, it's just modern terrorism.

Once upon a time, terrorists went for the biggest targets, high ranking individuals, armed installations. But there's a lot of wierd ideas out there, some reckon the newer tactics are to unsettle and confuse people, baffle them, hurt their expectations of safety. Create murders and that are different to what's happened before, because people won't know how to react to them. So instead of yet another bomb, we've seem them using knives in graphic attacks. Instead of footage of a building with it's windows blown out, you get pictures of a crazed individual holding a bloody knife looking right at the camera, and the knowledge of what some of us saw on ISIS videos happened here on a random street.

So here it could be they were going for the opposite sort of target. Instead of politicians or soldiers, or some city workers and commuters, they go for women and the unwell... and NHS workers. How do you process that? It's designed to cause people to talk about it, it gets shared more. It's designed to outrage - NHS workers as a whole are a celebrated group. And if the weak, unwell, and females are targetted, who isn't somewhat outraged by the 'cowardice' of that attack? That leaves a bit of a pit of fear and a fresh disgust and hatred in our mouths. And that's the idea of modern terrorism. Maximum upset, maximum confusion. Maximum debate and hatred.

Moreover, it being a woman's hospital will trigger angry debate between people about women's rights and society... also Islam and religion. The political issues around women's bodies - abortion, contraception, pornography / censorship, women's rights in Islamic states, FGM. We've seen some women protest that they feel they are less safe than in recent decades. There's also a debate about them having spaces of their own for their own issues, and who should have access to it. All of that now becomes part of the discussion about this event, or part of the atmosphere surrounding it.

What I'd say goes back to Lee Rigsby. The ideology of terrorism is now that their best, most effective method of attack and undermining our society, is to ruin any idea we have in our heads of us being relatively safe in our streets, in our society. They know if they can do that, we'll end up running around in circles, inevitably throwing around more hate and fear and over-reactions, rather than progressing in an atmosphere of peace and safety, trusting each other and leaving things to the existing justice systems and so on, as we have done for decades, centuries...
 
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