Coronavirus (2021) thread

[grunge]

they are already treating people with covid ! they need to protect themselves from catching it unless they most likely have already had it and have strong immunity ! only the individual would know i guess!

Not everyone in hospital has Covid tho do they? the NHS needs to protect those in Hospital for other reasons from catching Covid while they are in there. which is what they are doing this for, to minimise cross contamination.

Nearly 12k people have died from catching Covid while in hospital.

 

[Vic]

In some of these countries it’s not the supply that’s the issue, people don’t want them. There is a lot of scepticism in places like Africa due to things that have happened in the past with medication that has been given to them.

There is some hesistancy, but it's lack of vaccines that's the much bigger problem.

A survey conducted by the Africa Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (Africa CDC) and the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine across 15 African countries has detailed the need to increase confidence in COVID-19 vaccination on the continent. It surveyed more than 15 000 respondents over August-December 2020, and found that the majority (79%) of them would take the vaccine "if it were deemed safe and effective".
Myths and models: What’s driving vaccine hesitancy in Africa and how can we overcome it? (africaportal.org)


First world anti-vaxxers don't help.

 

[Erik the viking]

Not everyone in hospital has Covid tho do they? the NHS needs to protect those in Hospital for other reasons from catching Covid while they are in there. which is what they are doing this for.

Nearly 12k people have died from catching Covid while in hospital.are talking about i c u staff who have been treated patients for covid !

the chap in question who i mentioned earlier has worked on icu covid ward since the start of the pandemic! if anything he is putting himself at risk not the patients who he has been saving for nearly 2 years! whats wrong with testing all the nhs staff? jabbed up staff can just as easily have it and pass it on to a patient!

 

[grunge]

More Omicron news on how fast its transmitting.

Waste water contamination is nearly at the same peak as SA's largest Delta wave and got to these levels far quicker than delta. Another sign this is a very fast transmitter.

gotta hope it really is more mild.

 

[grunge]

the chap in question who i mentioned earlier has worked on icu covid ward since the start of the pandemic! if anything he is putting himself at risk not the patients who he has been saving for nearly 2 years! whats wrong with testing all the nhs staff? jabbed up staff can just as easily have it and pass it on to a patient!

the mandate is all frontline staff so im using that as my debate point here. All in all I dont feel comfortable firing people for not having a jab, I do however see the NHS/Gov's side in the argument.

Jabbed people, while they can catch and transmit are far less likely to do so.

That being said Omicron may change all this anyways.

 

[Erik the viking]

Presumably you have an opinion on it though, as this is a forum primarily based on opinions?
Apologies if you’re not one of the people actually advocating that highly skilled, life saving clinicians are sacked from their jobs because they haven’t been vaccinated. However, my original point was that, if people are that way minded, they would be steaming hypocrites if they accepted his help, whatever the emergency should be.

the mandate is all frontline staff so im using that as my debate point here. All in all I dont feel comfortable firing people for not having a jab, I do however see the NHS/Gov's side in the argument.

Jabbed people, while they can catch and transmit are far less likely to do so.

That being said Omicron may change all this anyways.

like i said i dont know him but he must have his reasons and sacking him after saving people all this time in my view is wrong ! most of the staff on the icu ward in question have baled out anyway mostly because of stress and taken lower paid jobs in day surgery ! going off what i know i think sacking more staff on the covid ward in march would be suicidal !

 

[marco]

like i said i dont know him but he must have his reasons and sacking him after saving people all this time in my view is wrong ! most of the staff on the icu ward in question have baled out anyway mostly because of stress and taken lower paid jobs in day surgery ! going off what i know i think sacking more staff on the covid ward in march would be suicidal !

wasnt there a forklift truck driver just been awarded 25k for getting the sack for not being jabbed,so this is now case law, nothings going to happen come March or if it does its going to cost them a hell of a lot of money

 

[Erik the viking]

wasnt there a forklift truck driver just been awarded 25k for getting the sack for not being jabbed,so this is now case law, nothings going to happen come March or if it does its going to cost them a hell of a lot of money

they are good at throwing money away ! remember track and trace ? they certainly are stupid enough to do it !

 

[grunge]

wasnt there a forklift truck driver just been awarded 25k for getting the sack for not being jabbed,so this is now case law, nothings going to happen come March or if it does its going to cost them a hell of a lot of money

Unless that fork lift driver was shifting sick or vulnerable people around there's not really a comparison.

plus there was no legal mandate in place to fire a forklift driver for it.

 

[grunge]

All people aged 18 and over to be offered a Covid-19 booster vaccine - Yahoo News UK

Booster doses should be given no sooner than three months after people have had their second dose of an original vaccine.

uk.yahoo.com

Booster jabs being opened to all Adults in the UK and 6 months rule being cut to 3 months.

 

[marco]

they are good at throwing money away ! remember track and trace ? they certainly are stupid enough to do it !

they certainly are,,i wouldnt like to be an employer in the private sector having made the decision to sack unjabbed,it will come back to haunt them via the courts and potentialy cripple them

 

[Healdplace]

Just to add England cases down 5% on last Monday. So all 4 nations down Monday to Monday. Details on the other thread. And all settings UK deaths 35 down from 45 last Monday. Always the lowest due to no Sunday registration but still down on the past few weeks

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

All people aged 18 and over to be offered a Covid-19 booster vaccine - Yahoo News UK

Booster doses should be given no sooner than three months after people have had their second dose of an original vaccine.

uk.yahoo.com

Booster jabs being opened to all Adults in the UK and 6 months rule being cut to 3 months.

either the first 2 jabs work, in which case you don't need a booster, or they don't, in which case why would anyone have a dud vaccine to just end up in the same place in "we advised a minimum of 6 but now we have the chance let's make it 3 so we can stick more needles in people to show we're doing something".

No proof the booster works on Optimus Prime or whatever it's called, and if you've already had 2 mRNA why would you have a third in half the time you were told was the minimum it would work for? Plus, if you're a young male, why would you increase your risk of myocarditis (and vaccine dependency) from yet another mRNA jab when the current one you were told would still be working by this point?

Science doesn't add up so I expect the uptake will be poor the younger you get.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

either the first 2 jabs work, in which case you don't need a booster, or they don't, in which case why would anyone have a dud vaccine to just end up in the same place in "we advised a minimum of 6 but now we have the chance let's make it 3 so we can stick more needles in people to show we're doing something".

No proof the booster works on Optimus Prime or whatever it's called, and if you've already had 2 mRNA why would you have a third in half the time you were told was the minimum it would work for? Plus, if you're a young male, why would you increase your risk of myocarditis (and vaccine dependency) from yet another mRNA jab when the current one you were told would still be working by this point?

Science doesn't add up so I expect the uptake will be poor the younger you get.

I've had you on ignore for being a complete dipshit in another thread, but as a healthy 34r yo I kind of agree with this.

I'm not having a booster until I know that it actually works.

 

[marco]

I've had you on ignore for being a complete dipshit in another thread, but as a healthy 34r yo I kind of agree with this.

I'm not having a booster until I know that it actually works.

thats my decission today, im due for the booster and have decided to delay a week or so until the new strain has been looked at, it looks like its going to be the dominant strain so no point in having the booster if you dont have any resistance to it, other folk have to think whats best for them so its just my take

 

[grunge]

thats my decission today, im due for the booster and have decided to delay a week or so until the new strain has been looked at, it looks like its going to be the dominant strain so no point in having the booster if you dont have any resistance to it, other folk have to think whats best for them so its just my take

with the speed its transmission in SA I dont think it will be long before we know one way or another.

its very unlikely this has evaded immunity entirely, but if anything has reduced efficiency of the vaccine. if thats the case the booster would help, I'll getting mine the second I can.

I dont think someone like Van Tam would go on the record like this if there wasn't strong posibilities its evading immunity somewhat.

“If vaccine effectiveness is reduced, as seems pretty likely to some extent. The biggest effects are likely to be in preventing infections and hopefully there will be smaller effects on preventing severe disease."

 

[Erik the viking]

they certainly are,,i wouldnt like to be an employer in the private sector having made the decision to sack unjabbed,it will come back to haunt them via the courts and potentialy cripple them

fingers crossed !

 

[meltonblue]

@Erik the viking, do you not have a full stop button on your keyboard…? ;)

 

[Erik the viking]

@Erik the viking, do you not have a full stop button on your keyboard…? ;)

sorry teach i will check it out lol!.................. oh yeah just found the bugger lol

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

with the speed its transmission in SA I dont think it will be long before we know one way or another.

its very unlikely this has evaded immunity entirely, but if anything has reduced efficiency of the vaccine. if thats the case the booster would help, I'll getting mine the second I can.

it can go one of two ways, either the boosters work on the older folk in which case hospital admissions will not rise dramatically and younger folk won't need a booster, or it won't work in which case we'd need a vaccine that works on Omicronbie and Fitch so the current booster jab would have no benefit, only some risk...