Coronavirus (2021) thread

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BigJoe#1 said:
How ridiculous is this?

From 4am 7th December you need to take a test within 48 hours of travelling to the UK.... however, if you're travelling and returning to the UK within 3 days......

From the governments website...

Taking your test in the UK before travel​

If you are returning to the UK within 3 days, you can use the result of a COVID-19 test that you take in the UK before you travel. You must use a private test provider for the test and not an NHS test.

The service on which you will arrive back in the UK must set off for the UK within 3 days of when you took the test.

So you test negative before you go abroad, you then, for example, go to a party and unknowingly catch Covid, but you can come back to the UK without a negative test because you tested negative before you left the UK.... REALLY?
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A nice timely boost for the profits of those supplying these tests at ridiculous prices.

The covid industry is booming
 
BigJoe#1 said:
How ridiculous is this?

From 4am 7th December you need to take a test within 48 hours of travelling to the UK.... however, if you're travelling and returning to the UK within 3 days......

From the governments website...

Taking your test in the UK before travel​

If you are returning to the UK within 3 days, you can use the result of a COVID-19 test that you take in the UK before you travel. You must use a private test provider for the test and not an NHS test.

The service on which you will arrive back in the UK must set off for the UK within 3 days of when you took the test.

So you test negative before you go abroad, you then, for example, go to a party and unknowingly catch Covid, but you can come back to the UK without a negative test because you tested negative before you left the UK.... REALLY?
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Was exactly same when we went to Champions league final nothing really new about it, two day test on return.
 
Gabriel said:
It will likely also have an enormous effect on the psychology of hospital staff. Imagine having to save the life of someone whom you know has ignored all medical advice- may even do so in the future- while you refuse treatment to people who have followed advice but now finds themselves in desperate need of treatment. That’s before you think of the psychological impact on the bereaved families. How do they perceive ‘society’ per se after witnessing their family member tossed aside?
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The NHS should not be prioritising the lives of thick anti vaxxers over people who need medical care through no fault of their own.

It’s baffling to me that this is going on.
 
A bit more data emerging on uk prevalence.

Still very early days, caution needed on conclusions, but still consistent with 3 day doubling time.

 
i kne albert davy said:
Was exactly same when we went to Champions league final nothing really new about it, two day test on return.
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They have only just introduced the need to test before you fly back to the UK but if you're only there for 3 days you don't have to have a test when you fly back.... you have to gave one before you go and test counts as your test for entering the UK and not bringing the virus with you. Senseless.
ganganvince said:
Do you not have to retest within 2 days of return?
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Yes.. but what is the point of everyone being tested to fly back if you don't have ho of you're only away for up to three days? If you're away for three days you could go kn a binge, get legless, snog anyone you want to (or who will let you ) catch Covid then come back get on a crowded tube and train and bus....
 
BigJoe#1 said:
They have only just introduced the need to test before you fly back to the UK but if you're only there for 3 days you don't have to have a test when you fly back.... you have to gave one before you go and test counts as your test for entering the UK and not bringing the virus with you. Senseless.

Yes.. but what is the point of everyone being tested to fly back if you don't have ho of you're only away for up to three days? If you're away for three days you could go kn a binge, get legless, snog anyone you want to (or who will let you ) catch Covid then come back get on a crowded tube and train and bus....
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re-introduced I'm sure lads who spent more than 3 days in Porto had to had a test to come back less than 3 same test could be used don't know but is it something to do with when you become contagious.
 
UK numbers today

54 all settings deaths - was 51 last week. England 41 of them - was 40 last week.

43,992 cases - up 6311 on last Sunday. England up 5260 on 37,396
 
www.theguardian.com

Omicron: what do we know about the new Covid variant?

Scientists are racing to establish the variant’s transmissibility, effect on immune system and chance of hospitalisation or death
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
I get the feeling some areas of the media are sensing that their days of gruesome newsome are numbered.

"Scientists are racing to establish the variant’s transmissibility, effect on immune system and chance of hospitalisation or death"
 
Gabriel said:
It will likely also have an enormous effect on the psychology of hospital staff. Imagine having to save the life of someone whom you know has ignored all medical advice- may even do so in the future- while you refuse treatment to people who have followed advice but now finds themselves in desperate need of treatment. That’s before you think of the psychological impact on the bereaved families. How do they perceive ‘society’ per se after witnessing their family member tossed aside?
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You could be right but I think it would not be that different to treating smokers, heavy drinkers and morbidly obese folk.
 
HorlocksWalk said:
You could be right but I think it would not be that different to treating smokers, heavy drinkers and morbidly obese folk.
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Perhaps, but as you can tell from your chosen examples, such patients tend to present in acute wards after years of physical deterioration, and they often present with comorbidities and even multimorbidities. In this particular case, hospital staff are being confronted with people whom they would not expect to see for many years yet, and we’re not talking about isolated cases either, so you have to factor in the psychological effect of doing this multiple times over multiple weeks. Quite harrowing.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
They have only just introduced the need to test before you fly back to the UK but if you're only there for 3 days you don't have to have a test when you fly back.... you have to gave one before you go and test counts as your test for entering the UK and not bringing the virus with you. Senseless.

Yes.. but what is the point of everyone being tested to fly back if you don't have ho of you're only away for up to three days? If you're away for three days you could go kn a binge, get legless, snog anyone you want to (or who will let you ) catch Covid then come back get on a crowded tube and train and bus....
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Don't think your contagious for the first few days.
 
Gabriel said:
Perhaps, but as you can tell from your chosen examples, such patients tend to present in acute wards after years of physical deterioration, and they often present with comorbidities and even multimorbidities. In this particular case, hospital staff are being confronted with people whom they would not expect to see for many years yet, and we’re not talking about isolated cases either, so you have to factor in the psychological effect of doing this multiple times over multiple weeks. Quite harrowing.
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Drug users?
 
HorlocksWalk said:
Drug users?
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Not entirely sure what your question means. You can always conjure individual examples to support your case, but we’re discussing a general situation now where there are finite resources and seemingly infinite numbers of people presenting. Medical staff will always strive to save as many people as possible in normal times, but these are not normal times so it’s futile to equate the two.

This report shows how difficult and distressing the choice already was, and that was before vaccines had been made available to all.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200428-coronavirus-how-doctors-choose-who-lives-and-dies
 
ganganvince said:
Don't think your contagious for the first few days.
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It's the opposite I think you'll find. That's how the bastard virus sneaks around.
www.webmd.com

Coronavirus Incubation Period

COVID-19 Incubation Period: What's the incubation period for coronavirus? Learn when the virus is most contagious, & how long to quarantine after you’ve been exposed to COVID-19.
www.webmd.com www.webmd.com
"When Is the Coronavirus the Most Contagious?
Researchers estimate that people who get infected with the coronavirus can spread it to others 2 to 3 days before symptoms start and are most contagious 1 to 2 days before they feel sick"
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
It's the opposite I think you'll find. That's how the bastard virus sneaks around.
www.webmd.com

Coronavirus Incubation Period

COVID-19 Incubation Period: What's the incubation period for coronavirus? Learn when the virus is most contagious, & how long to quarantine after you’ve been exposed to COVID-19.
www.webmd.com www.webmd.com
"When Is the Coronavirus the Most Contagious?
Researchers estimate that people who get infected with the coronavirus can spread it to others 2 to 3 days before symptoms start and are most contagious 1 to 2 days before they feel sick"
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Yes it says with delta its 4 days till you become infectious 5.6 with original.
 
ganganvince said:
Yes it says with delta its 4 days till you become infectious 5.6 with original.
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www.webmd.com

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.
www.webmd.com www.webmd.com
 
SWP's back said:
That’s not very accurate is it.
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Sorry, had a few last night. I think I meant, let's take for example Astrazeneca; if you we're previously hesitant to take this due to not being confident in the timescale of its release for the ability to determine long term complications or not. You were called an anti vaxxer.

However, it has since been proven to cause blood clots.
 
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