F1 Season 2021

Verstappen has received a post race 10 second penalty (which ultimately changes nothing).

I'm happy with that. Maybe it's a copout by the FIA but action was taken, and next week's action won't be spoiled for it.
 
hello said:
Assume stewards decided not to take action or will it be one of those delayed announcements after a few days of talking to sponsors and asking Christian what he can accept
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An interesting concept.

What has been forgotten in all this is the original decision by the officials to put out the red flag. There was precedence for this in practice but they decided not to make it a protocol.

There have been a number of decisions that are bringing the officiating body into question and, when that happens, people lose a lot of faith in what they are seeing.
 
mccity said:
Verstappen has received a post race 10 second penalty (which ultimately changes nothing).

I'm happy with that. Maybe it's a copout by the FIA but action was taken, and next week's action won't be spoiled for it.
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Got to keep the sport saleable.
 
mccity said:
Verstappen has received a post race 10 second penalty (which ultimately changes nothing).

I'm happy with that. Maybe it's a copout by the FIA but action was taken, and next week's action won't be spoiled for it.
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meaningless. It's not a punishment unless it actually punishes him. Should be a 10 place grid drop. All he has to do is punt Lewis off next week and he's champion because it'll be a "racing incident or time penalty" which will be meaningless if Lewis gets 0 points.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
An interesting concept.

What has been forgotten in all this is the original decision by the officials to put out the red flag. There was precedence for this in practice but they decided not to make it a protocol.

There have been a number of decisions that are bringing the officiating body into question and, when that happens, people lose a lot of faith in what they are seeing.
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I couldn’t help think the red flag was a cop out. The equivalent of a referee levelling up a bad decision with another for the opposition.

Bottas was clearly backing up Max under the safety car to allow Hamilton to pit and return to the track in a good position as well as enabling Mercedes to double stack at the pit stop.

They likely would have had to hand out a penalty to Bottas but in reality Hamilton was benefitting. I think the stewards didn’t know how to deal with that and the red flag almost made that issue vanish.
 
deano ou812 said:
Surprise surprise..
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I just like to look at it objectively. If they gave a 10 sec penalty, and armed with all the details, they have adjudged to find MV guilty of causing a collision. The question then is, forget that this is for the WC, what would be the penalty for such an infringement; what is the precedenceL
 
svennis pennis said:
I couldn’t help think the red flag was a cop out. The equivalent of a referee levelling up a bad decision with another for the opposition.

Bottas was clearly backing up Max under the safety car to allow Hamilton to pit and return to the track in a good position as well as enabling Mercedes to double stack at the pit stop.

They likely would have had to hand out a penalty to Bottas but in reality Hamilton was benefitting. I think the stewards didn’t know how to deal with that and the red flag almost made that issue vanish.
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If they’d both gone in in the same time and position then they’d both come out in the same positions. I think LH was 4 seconds ahead at the time so wouldn’t make much of a difference. Double stacking has an effect though as that may have put Bottas a few seconds behind if they got jammed. But, again, a 4 second gap would have covered both cars.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
If they’d both gone in in the same time and position then they’d both come out in the same positions. I think LH was 4 seconds ahead at the time so wouldn’t make much of a difference. Double stacking has an effect though as that may have put Bottas a few seconds behind if they got jammed. But, again, a 4 second gap would have covered both cars.
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The gap was around 1.7 seconds. You could clearly see Bottas was slowing intentionally.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
meaningless. It's not a punishment unless it actually punishes him. Should be a 10 place grid drop. All he has to do is punt Lewis off next week and he's champion because it'll be a "racing incident or time penalty" which will be meaningless if Lewis gets 0 points.
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It's not meaningless.

For a start, it's clearly attributed blame and shown to everyone that Verstappen brake checked Hamilton and caused the crash. That's going to affect the feeling around him in the paddock and like I said before, I think this will be the race that turns a lot of people who were for "letting them race" against him. He is quickly running out of people who want to defend his driving, and that the change in media coverage that comes with it does seem to matter to the FIA.

Secondly, the whole reason we've wanted his driving to be penalised is to discourage it, right? We are fed up of his "yield or crash" way of racing. If he doesn't change for next week after twice being sanctioned for bad driving by the stewards in one race, he'll get punished and lose the WDC.

Also, he did get penalty points, and no he can't punt Lewis off the track to end the WDC because these days, that would lead to a points deduction. Given they're level, any points deduction would forfeit the WDC.
 
domalino said:
It's not meaningless.

For a start, it's clearly attributed blame and shown to everyone that Verstappen brake checked Hamilton and caused the crash. That's going to affect the feeling around him in the paddock and like I said before, I think this will be the race that turns a lot of people who were for "letting them race" against him. He is quickly running out of people who want to defend his driving, and that the change in media coverage that comes with it does seem to matter to the FIA.

Secondly, the whole reason we've wanted his driving to be penalised is to discourage it, right? We are fed up of his "yield or crash" way of racing. If he doesn't change for next week after twice being sanctioned for bad driving by the stewards in one race, he'll get punished and lose the WDC.

Also, he did get penalty points, and no he can't punt Lewis off the track to end the WDC because these days, that would lead to a points deduction. Given they're level, any points deduction would forfeit the WDC.
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I think we’d see Max disqualified from the championship entirely, much like Schumacher was in 1997.
 
domalino said:
It's not meaningless.

For a start, it's clearly attributed blame and shown to everyone that Verstappen brake checked Hamilton and caused the crash. That's going to affect the feeling around him in the paddock and like I said before, I think this will be the race that turns a lot of people who were for "letting them race" against him.

Secondly, the whole reason we've wanted his driving to be penalised is to discourage it, right? We are fed up of his "yield or crash" way of racing. If he doesn't change for next week after twice being sanctioned for bad driving by the stewards in one race, he'll get punished and lose the WDC.

Also, he did get penalty points, and no he can't punt Lewis off the track to end the WDC because these days, that would lead to a points deduction. Given they're level, any points deduction would forfeit the WDC.
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If he takes Lewis out next week, he will be crowned WDC whatever justification people try to throw at it. He's gotten away with far too much for the investment in him to be sent down the toilet next week. This is all posturing and they don't care, or the law would have been laid down on him so severely that Hamilton would already be world champion.

All he has to do is make it look vaguely a racing incident and he's alright.
 
svennis pennis said:
Max would absolutely not get away with simply taking Lewis out. Not a chance.
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he just did, twice.

Bottas got a 5 place penalty in Hungary for taking out drivers. Max got a grid penalty in Monza for causing a collision. Where's his grid penalty for Abu Dhabi for "causing a collision"?
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
he just did, twice.

Bottas got a 5 place penalty in Hungary for taking out drivers. Max got a grid penalty in Monza for causing a collision. Where's his grid penalty for Abu Dhabi for "causing a collision"?
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The only time I’ve not seen a grid penalty was when Vettel, in the Ferrari, ran into the back of Hamilton. I’m sure Hamilton also got a penalty for something else which was also way out of line.

What‘s intersecting is that RB decided to have a strategic approach to the overtake, deciding to forget about sportsmanship and accept any recognition of wrong doing.
 
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