Ref Watch

bluealf said:
The one I mention was not long into the second half, there were two shouts not long apart but this was hours ago and I have forgotten the other one, there were so many to remember after all.

I don't want to watch match of the day to remind myself either lol
Click to expand...
Me neither. May watch tomorrow morning. Job done! I am going to go have a drink.
 
Val hever said:
Wolves fan here. Have to say you deserved to win the game but to get stitched up by VAR stinks. Never a penalty but should have had one earlier. Every time Adama had the ball first half he was fouled and you eventually had 2 bookings but that meant fat boy Moss had to book Jimenez and he was silly for the red. But does anyone think the first tackle was a yellow? Today Man City, liverplol, Chelsea and Man Utd all had penalties that if they were the other way round would have been changed by VAR. The league is corrupt and the big clubs might as well play themselves every week because the rest of don’t matter.
Click to expand...

Good of you to admit as much.
Moss was shocking but don't expect any less from that fat twunt.

Nothing yellow for the first but we get them routinely for our first challenges so no sympathy here. What he did for the 2nd was just stupidity but Moss had set the tone by letting you get away with everything up to that point and Jimenez probably thought he could get away with it.

Chelsea's and Liverpools penalty's were absolute jokes. Liverpool's especially, but we expect nothing less.

VAR decisions of as last week: https://www.espn.co.uk/football/eng...affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2021-22

Wolves -3
City -2
Liverpool +2
Chelsea +1


So yes there may be a bias but it isn't really City who benefit from it.
 
bluealf said:
The one I mention was not long into the second half, there were two shouts not long apart but this was hours ago and I have forgotten the other one, there were so many to remember after all.

I don't want to watch match of the day to remind myself either lol
Click to expand...
I wouldn't worry, MOTD don't usually show our penalty shouts. They've got to keep on top of the narrative.
 
bluealf said:
The one that went for a bye kick, the one that the defender didn't touch the ball but ploughed right into Sterling, is that the good tackle one you mention?

The other one you mention, the guy had three pulls on Sterling, two on the shoulder, one on his arm and then he gives him a little push in the back for good measure, so 4 pens in one if you wear a red shirt.
Click to expand...
What is the timestamp of the first one you mention?

Has anyone mentioned the other handball from Kilman that blocked Foden's shot in the second half, when Raheem cut it back? Didn't realise it until someone asked me about it and I don't remember BT mentioning it at the time either. Watching it back though, it was fully blocked with the arm. Not sure if that's a pen or not by today's standards because his arms weren't up high and he was fairly close to Foden, those used to be given though.
 
Last edited:
Val hever said:
Wolves fan here. Have to say you deserved to win the game but to get stitched up by VAR stinks. Never a penalty but should have had one earlier. Every time Adama had the ball first half he was fouled and you eventually had 2 bookings but that meant fat boy Moss had to book Jimenez and he was silly for the red. But does anyone think the first tackle was a yellow? Today Man City, liverplol, Chelsea and Man Utd all had penalties that if they were the other way round would have been changed by VAR. The league is corrupt and the big clubs might as well play themselves every week because the rest of don’t matter.
Click to expand...
You’re right and wrong on certain points. We are reffed miles different to other “big teams” we should have had two pens on Sterling before the “handball” var couldnt over turn it as it’s not clear if it hit his hand or not therefor not clear and obvious enough to over turn. It was the weakest shout of the day but I’ll take it when he allowed your defender to very clumsy twat sterling’s legs and even gave the goal kick knowing he didn’t touch the ball.

If you watch city the yellows we get are crazy. Not saying never not deserved however if you consider we have 70 plus percent of the ball, commit fewer fouls yet somehow many weeks end up with more cards than the opposition. If we got technical today your teams time wasting tactics went unpunished as always against us. No issues with teams doing it but the refs never action it until the last few mins. Book them early for what’s is effectively cheating and then they won’t do it again. If you looked back over since var has been in you will see the mental pens we haven’t had awarded. Look up Foden last year. Var is shite and our refs aren’t much better. I know from its introduction you guys feel you don’t get the better end of decisions and it may be true. If it was in your first decision Bolys hand of god wouldn’t have counted ;)
 
Metalartin said:
What is the timestamp of the first one you mention?

Has anyone mentioned the other handball that blocked Foden's shot in the second half when Raheem cut it back? Didn't realise it until someone mentioned it and I don't remember BT mentioning it at the time either. Watching it back though, it was fully blocked with the arm. Not sure if that's a pen or not by today's standards because his arms weren't up high and he was fairly close to Foden, those used to be given though.
Click to expand...
Not sure, I was at work but made it home for kick off but then at halftime, I had to go and clock off and had the game on pause, it was early in the second half and after the pull back one as that is the one I mention in the matchday thread first.

My posts were 6 minutes apart.

14:16 and 14:22

I got back in the house about 14:10 so both would be within the first 10 minutes of second half max.
 
Val hever said:
Wolves fan here. Have to say you deserved to win the game but to get stitched up by VAR stinks. Never a penalty but should have had one earlier. Every time Adama had the ball first half he was fouled and you eventually had 2 bookings but that meant fat boy Moss had to book Jimenez and he was silly for the red. But does anyone think the first tackle was a yellow? Today Man City, liverplol, Chelsea and Man Utd all had penalties that if they were the other way round would have been changed by VAR. The league is corrupt and the big clubs might as well play themselves every week because the rest of don’t matter.
Click to expand...
That's our first of the season, despite being clattered a dozen times in various penalty areas. We can only hope that a defender catches the ball or fists it from under the bar 'cos that's the only way we stand a chance of getting a pen. I've looked at that about five times on the brief highlights and yer guy uses his arm to prevent the ball following its trajectory. Tough on him, but that's using his arm to play the ball. And despite the plethora of know-nowt pundits in the BT studio who are apoplectic with rage VAR confirmed Mossy Lard's decision. if it wasn't a pen I am sure VAR would have fucked us off as they have done several times since the whistling wankers arrived in the VAR shed!
 
Metalartin said:
What is the timestamp of the first one you mention?

Has anyone mentioned the other handball that blocked Foden's shot in the second half when Raheem cut it back? Didn't realise it until someone asked me about it and I don't remember BT mentioning it at the time either. Watching it back though, it was fully blocked with the arm. Not sure if that's a pen or not by today's standards because his arms weren't up high and he was fairly close to Foden, those used to be given though.
Click to expand...

Pen all day Kilman leans into the ball but very cleverly keeps his arm next to his body in a natural position, even rag Wio said it was a penner
 
Metalartin said:
What is the timestamp of the first one you mention?

Has anyone mentioned the other handball from Kilman that blocked Foden's shot in the second half, when Raheem cut it back? Didn't realise it until someone asked me about it and I don't remember BT mentioning it at the time either. Watching it back though, it was fully blocked with the arm. Not sure if that's a pen or not by today's standards because his arms weren't up high and he was fairly close to Foden, those used to be given though.
Click to expand...
He played the ball with his arm. It's a mandatory pen at the Swamp 'n Anfield anytime, any day, any game. We called it immediately! Just another pen gone begging. I can't understand, if VAR is doing the job it's presented as doing, why it didn't whistle in Mossy's ear and inform him of 'the error'! City fans, City players and Pep are used to penalties going begging.
 
Val hever said:
Wolves fan here. Have to say you deserved to win the game but to get stitched up by VAR stinks. Never a penalty but should have had one earlier. Every time Adama had the ball first half he was fouled and you eventually had 2 bookings but that meant fat boy Moss had to book Jimenez and he was silly for the red. But does anyone think the first tackle was a yellow? Today Man City, liverplol, Chelsea and Man Utd all had penalties that if they were the other way round would have been changed by VAR. The league is corrupt and the big clubs might as well play themselves every week because the rest of don’t matter.
Click to expand...

Thanks for posting, and welcome.

My thoughts about the two penalties are opposite to yours. The first one that was denied, when your defender moved his shoulder towards and made contact with the ball, was not a definite penalty in my opinion. The changes to The Laws of the Game now day that if the ball hits the upper arm, it is not handball. The upper arm can be taken to be the arm covered by a short sleeves shirt. It looked too me as though the ball did touch the upper arm, so no penalty. Having said that, there was no definitive video or still shot pricing where the ball hit the defender. Marriner on VAR should have asked Moss to take another look at that. Walton's opinion is irrelevant because he's gave no indication that he is even aware of the law amendment. At least Gallagher referred to it, so he is aware. None of the pundits send are of the law amendment either.

On to the second - the one that was given, and I think this was a penalty. The defender had his arm raised, so it was in an unnatural position. The ball clearly hit his arm, so the question is, did it hit above or below the sleeve? Moss thought below, and there was no conclusive video to render that opinion as a clear error, so the penalty stood.

But regardless of any of this, Moss set his standard for handballs when he penalised Jesus In the first half. Using the same measures, at least one of the above penalty shouts had to be given.

I agree with you that Liverpool and United get very soft penalties, but don't make the mistake of lumping us in with them. Today's was our first penalty in the league this season, I believe. Check our record - we have had many good penalty claims turned away, but then I suppose all fans think this of their own team.

I don't think Jimenez's first caution should have been given. But I think some of our were soft too. The second caution was idiotic beyond belief though, and Moss had no choice but to send him off. Maybe Jimenez was caught it by Wolves' spiking tactics though. I can imagine they were told to slow down the game as much as possible. Stay down when fouled. Waste time on restarts. Stop us taking quick free kicks etc. I'm not saying these aren't legitimate tactics, just that they may have worked against Jimenez on this occasion.

Traore was fouled a lot. I don't think he was targeted per se. It's just that we are very aggressive in trying to regain possession of the ball, and we do commit fouls sometimes.
 
Val hever said:
Wolves fan here. Have to say you deserved to win the game but to get stitched up by VAR stinks. Never a penalty but should have had one earlier. Every time Adama had the ball first half he was fouled and you eventually had 2 bookings but that meant fat boy Moss had to book Jimenez and he was silly for the red. But does anyone think the first tackle was a yellow? Today Man City, liverplol, Chelsea and Man Utd all had penalties that if they were the other way round would have been changed by VAR. The league is corrupt and the big clubs might as well play themselves every week because the rest of don’t matter.
Click to expand...
Always a tough match against Wolves, thought we should of had at least one of the other penalty shouts, so VAR stinks, works both ways, you just remember the one’s against you, we’re the same.

Traore has his usual good game against us and shite against other teams, so nothing new there, our system suits his game and we are vulnerable to his pace.

The lenient officiating which has been introduced this season certainly worked in your favour earlier on, as Sterling got clattered by a few. Wolves seemed to like to give it out but easily fall to the floor, which is all part of your tactics, breaking play up, disrupt our system and frustrate, which fair play certainly does and your not the first.
How can a team with more than 70% possession and less tackles have more bookings, so no sympathy with the yellow card, you probably should of had a few more.
As for the league being corrupt, did you think that when Boly scored with his hand not so long ago.

Are you not concerned about your lack of goals this season, do you think getting rid of Nuno was a mistake, thought Bruno was brought in to play more expansive football.

If you would of got a point from today, football would of been the loser, although you played with 10 men for the second half, there was no excuse for the first half.

Good luck for the rest of the season and hope you play just as hard for the rest of the top teams
 
WRicko said:
I come away from games so confused there where numerous shouts for pens from fouls and handballs in that game and I have no idea if they are genuine or not and if they have been looked at we should be better informed regardless of if it changes results
Click to expand...
That's the worst about it. You've gone to the trouble of getting there with the traffic jams metro cattletrucks not to mention paid out for the doubtful privilege and you trudge out knowing the score but not having a clue how it came about.
The armchair fans usually see a close up of what happened albeit with some biased opinion from a clown who is more aware because he's on a loop with the TV people/VAR.
The commentator on NBC said straightaway that the booked Wolves player was on trouble but later made an excuse that he was frustrated because the first yellow was not justified. I thought it was as bad if not worse than the two earlier City bookings.
I am not sure whether VAR looked at our penalty
shouts either at all or from the first suitable angle.
Later on you learn of very late pens given to the usual suspects.
Whats really going on?
 
Val hever said:
Wolves fan here. Have to say you deserved to win the game but to get stitched up by VAR stinks. Never a penalty but should have had one earlier. Every time Adama had the ball first half he was fouled and you eventually had 2 bookings but that meant fat boy Moss had to book Jimenez and he was silly for the red. But does anyone think the first tackle was a yellow? Today Man City, liverplol, Chelsea and Man Utd all had penalties that if they were the other way round would have been changed by VAR. The league is corrupt and the big clubs might as well play themselves every week because the rest of don’t matter.
Click to expand...
Wolves have some talented players but this manager sets you up so defensively. Are fans happy with him despite your position ?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top