Coronavirus (2021) thread

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I doubt there is a conspiracy here. This was going to happen. It has happened elsewhere. It is not evidence of anything beyond what we already knew and what we already know we do not know - such as the exact way it will be severe or not within the British community versus how it behaves in South Arica. Very different demographics.
 
BBC now actively discussing what the word IF meant and stressing it does not mean Omicron was the cause.

Someone has had a word it seems to change tack so fast
 
Healdplace said:
I doubt there is a conspiracy here. This was going to happen. It has happened elsewhere. It is not evidence of anything beyond what we already knew and what we already know we do not know - such as the exact way it will be severe or not within the British community versus how it behaves in South Arica. Very different demographics.
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Newton’s 4th law of Social Media Motion.

For every news story, there is an equal and opposite conspiracy theory.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Can’t be true then. You’re right. Don’t trust anyone.
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I certainly don’t trust a word the health secretary said as he was literally determined not to give us any sort of numbers as to the scale of the infections so far.

Perhaps he was just badly briefed eh?
 
blueinsa said:
I certainly don’t trust a word the health secretary said as he was literally determined not to give us any sort of numbers as to the scale of the infections so far.

Perhaps he was just badly briefed eh?
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No idea, but you don’t trust anyone these days, well, some self certified bluemoon data analyst aside.
 
Healdplace said:
BBC now actively discussing what the word IF meant and stressing it does not mean Omicron was the cause.

Soneone has had a word it seems to change tack so fast
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Either way, it's still possible that COVID can be a cause of death for someone who has died of another condition.

If I'm ill in hospital with something bad then the last thing I want is a disease that might well help to finish me off.

This is akin to the theory of letting COVID loose in a hospital and then not marking any of the eventual deaths as COVID related, it would be lunacy but it's sort of what's being argued.
 
Healdplace said:
Boris just confirmed first UK death with Omicron.

It may well be milder but it will still kill some people this Winter sadly. It was never going to be otherwise.

I said 'with' note. The media are saying 'from'. There is a difference but it is usually not a factor in reporting. No detail at all as yet of the situation in this case.
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Very sad, but, With and Of are two totally different things. Both should have been reported from the off as should the vaccination status of the deceased.
They weren’t so Joe public hasn't a clue as to what is really going on - nor can they confirm what is actually happening.
 
Boris this morning still refered to the possibility it is a milder illness to be fair to him and did very definitely stress WITH not FROM.

I am pretty sure given how swiftly the word WITH was replaced at the BBC this point has been emphasised to the media on purpose. As we do not yet know the details.

Nor what 'at least one person' means as it suggests other deaths may be being investigated too.

I am not a Boris fan but he does seem to be being very careful here with his words and that had to be intentional not scaremongering.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
No idea, but you don’t trust anyone these days, well, some self certified bluemoon data analyst aside.
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So you say but you couldn’t be further from the truth.

Sadly these days if you are not 100% in agreement on something, into a box you must go and on this subject, it means you are a tinfoil hat wearing anti vaxxer, conspiracy theorist nut job.

Get your vaccinations, get your booster, get on with life.
 
inbetween said:
Either way, it's still possible that COVID can be a cause of death for someone who has died of another condition.

If I'm ill in hospital with something bad then the last thing I want is a disease that might well help to finish me off.

This is akin to the theory of letting COVID loose in a hospital and then not marking any of the eventual deaths as COVID related, it would be lunacy but it's sort of what's being argued.
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I am not going to rerun the discussion on this we had last year when my family member died and I do understand the reasons why this happens. Just stressing the point that there is a big difference between vulnerability of patients catching Covid with and without underlying conditions. This is why young people do not usually die from it as they tend to have less of these.

Much like flu is more dagerous the older you are and it exacerbates any vulnerability. It is not actually a killing machine. Death is a side effect of the virus in those most susceptible. Not the intent of infection.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Maybe but the BBC's ticker tape banner said most definitely he had confirmed one person has dies FROM Omicron. And its that message that sticks.
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My 75 year old Uncle died from Covid according to his death Certificate, he had terminal cancer and was admitted to Hospital after suffering a heart attack but he caught the virus in there amd it finished him off, wasn’t a bad thing tbh because his quality of life was zero.
 
Healdplace said:
Boris this morning still refered to the possibility it is a milder illness to be fair to him and did very definitely stress WITH not FROM.

I am pretty sure givewn ho swiftly the word WITH was replaced at the BBC this point has been emphasised to the media on purpose. As we do not yet know the details.

Nor what 'at least one person' means as it suggests other deaths may be being investigated too.

I am not a Boris fan but he does seem to be being very careful here with his words and that had to be ibtentional not scaremongering.
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Andy Marr asked the same thing to Susan Hopkins, Chief Medical Adviser, and Nadhim Zahawi yesterday, and both evaded answering that distinction.
 
hammocity said:
My 75 year old Uncle died from Covid according to his death Certificate, he had terminal cancer and was admitted to Hospital after suffering a heart attack but he caught the virus in there amd it finished him off, wasn’t a bad thing tbh because his quality of life was zero.
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If it finished him off then its valid to say on the death certificate that its what killed him.

There are some quite solid guide lines from the WHO about what is classed as Covid death vs not for as accurate as possible tracking.

You would hope the % of false positives here would be quite low.
 
hammocity said:
My 75 year old Uncle died from Covid according to his death Certificate, he had terminal cancer and was admitted to Hospital after suffering a heart attack but he caught the virus in there amd it finished him off, wasn’t a bad thing tbh because his quality of life was zero.
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Sumpathies to you blue but it’s evidence that the way the numbers have been put together is wrong because it’s clear, your family member did not die of covid, he died with it.

He sad passing should not go down as a covid death imo given his other co morbidities.
 
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