Coronavirus (2021) thread

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blueinsa said:
Agreed and despite my posts, I’m not a grey pal, I do as I’m told, do my civic site to protect myself and others but just feel we are now going down roads that will be never ending for a tiny vocal minority and it’s that situation that worries me.
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I don’t think it will be. I’m semi hopeful that Omicron may well be the natural way out of the pandemic if it is mild and acts as a natural vaccine.

I think all governments everywhere are scared that if they don’t be seen to do enough and deaths skyrocket, that they will be destroyed in the media.

As you were intimating before, it’s all a game of risk management. We do our bit through vaccination, mask wearing and distancing where we can.

Governments have real time partial data to decipher and risk assess. They’re never going to please everyone.

If all goes to plan, we could be mostly out of the woods come February.
 
SWP's back said:
Not gonna lie, I’m preferring the news out from SA to the U.K. at the moment.
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I think the latest excess death figures are due out today so for me this is gonna give a much clearer picture.

Week ending 14th Nov they had 550 or so, Nov 21st they had 1k, Week ending 28th Nov they 2k. if the week ending 5th Dec is a lot higher again then its clear that a lot of things are happening that are not being picked up in other reporting.

For reference there official figures are 90k deaths. there Excess deaths are over 275k so there is a significant disparity in there tracking.

Im still optimistic that this is far milder and that Vaccines are helping prevent hospiltalisaton and deaths though as gauteng, the starting point for Omicron has not shown too many excess deaths and is also the highest vaccinated area as well as having been hit hardest by delta.
 
Gabriel said:
As I pointed out yesterday, it’s reckoned that 50% of adults (20-40) in South Africa could have it at the one time, but because they don’t have the same level of restrictions in place, or testing, the country can still function. I’ve yet to hear the U.K. Government asked what it will do in that eventuality, though I suspect that at that point it will downgrade Omicron’s severity and encourage everyone back to work. Best enjoy the hibernation when it comes, I say. :-)
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It’s all a game of risk assessment. The worst case scenario is Omicron mutating and being contagious ++ and more severe than it is.

Best case is that it’s now akin to a common cold and acts as a natural vaccine and kills off Covid 19 as a threat.

The reality will probably be somewhere in between.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s all a game of risk assessment. The worst case scenario is Omicron mutating and being contagious ++ and more severe than it is.

Best case is that it’s now akin to a common cold and acts as a natural vaccine and kills off Covid 19 as a threat.

The reality will probably be somewhere in between.
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metro.co.uk

GP who discovered Omicron says Boris is ‘verging on hysteria'

Doctor Angelique Coetzee, who raised the alarm about Omicron, said the 'mild variant' could help people build natural immunity without making them too sick.
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for some reason we seem to be ignoring what South Africa are telling us About this variant.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I don’t necessarily disagree about LFT’s in theory but, for them to be effective, you’d need to do them when you turned up at the event/restaurant/pub. Imagine doing a pub crawl and doing 8 LFT’s!

My main point though was that, having been tripled jabbed, I can still pass this virus on. If the point of the ’pass’ is to not spread it, vaccination status is pointless. Also, I can’t see why a lateral flow test would not do for NHS and care workers rather than mandatory vaccines.
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Studies have shown that being vaccinated doesn't stop you passing on the virus but it greatly reduces that chance of you transmitting it. This is something that needs to be messaged much more effectively by our government.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
metro.co.uk

GP who discovered Omicron says Boris is ‘verging on hysteria'

Doctor Angelique Coetzee, who raised the alarm about Omicron, said the 'mild variant' could help people build natural immunity without making them too sick.
metro.co.uk metro.co.uk

for some reason we seem to be ignoring what South Africa are telling us About this variant.
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I don’t take much notice of what Johnson says to be honest. His risk management is more about keeping parties out of the news.

I got my booster, wear a mask in public confined spaces and distance where I can. There’s not much more I can do, whatever he says.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s all a game of risk assessment. The worst case scenario is Omicron mutating and being contagious ++ and more severe than it is.

Best case is that it’s now akin to a common cold and acts as a natural vaccine and kills off Covid 19 as a threat.

The reality will probably be somewhere in between.
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I agree, though I think there should be a bit more push back in the media on the scientists/advisors/politicians in regards to why they appear to be cherry picking information from South Africa.

Assuming that it doesn’t become the Armageddon feared, I suspect society will either come to a shuddering halt early next week, at which point the government will either have to do another U-turn or put the country into hibernation, or, in the first week of January, with a new year ahead and a sense of resolution, the general public will have decided that the symptoms are more ‘cold-like’ than death-like’ and demand an immediate return to normalcy.

Should be an interesting few weeks.
 
Gabriel said:
I agree, though I think there should be a bit more push back in the media on the scientists/advisors/politicians in regards to why they appear to be cherry picking information from South Africa.

Assuming that it doesn’t become the Armageddon feared, I suspect society will either come to a shuddering halt early next week, at which point the government will either have to do another U-turn or put the country into hibernation, or, in the first week of January, with a new year ahead and a sense of resolution, the general public will have decided that the symptoms are more ‘cold-like’ than death-like’ and demand an immediate return to normalcy.

Should be an interesting few weeks.
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More cold like than death like is definitely my preferred choice.
 
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