COVID Data Thread

If the UK behaves like South Africa this will be over in about 4 - 6 weeks. But that is an if because South Africa is not mid Winter and not the UK with its much older population. So predictions are easy to guess wrong.

I do supect it will rise much more quickly than past waves as all the data so far shows that already but it cannot sustain that for long and sheer numbers tell you it must flatten sooner than a shallow rise wave would do.

The fall will likely then be quite fast too, perhaps a little slower than the rise. Down from a peak around 200,000 in early January. To modest numbers round where we were a month or so ago by late January.

This is more Nostradamus than science I stress - aka a speculative guess - based on how the waves so far have acted and this one has been acting in South Africa. With the caveat the UK is not South Africa and that could change things in several ways.

I fully expect it to be wrong on numbers but not in essence.
Perhaps the more important factor is that South Africa has never tightened its restrictions; the country remains at its lowest: level one. It will therefore burn out there much faster, whereas in the U.K. the measures taken will mean the wave will still be prolonged. In a country riven with HIV (20%) and such poverty, there are also very different attitudes to life and death.
 
Perhaps true Gabriel, right now I do not think anyone can call this. But I do not see how an exponential rise to say half a million cases a day is even tenable in the UK. We will reach a saturation point surely. If not least because there will be a limit to testing capacity and people will stop testing to keep in work if it is correct this is not much worse than a heavy cold for most. I do not see any rush to full lockdown if the uptick in hospital numbers is sustainable as it will be if the South African levels translate to here - IF being the key word as in so many things right now.

There are a lot of such ifs and buts in the comng weeks and I doubt anyone really knows where this is going to go.
 
Going to give a Greater Manchester Pop Score table every few days/




Here it is after today: CURRENT POP SCORE (Up or Down Past Week) / (Up or down Past Month)



TAMESIDE 400 (Down 50) / (Up 18)

BOLTON 402 (Up 83) / (Up 66)

OLDHAM 421 (Up 79 / (Up 155)

WIGAN 427 (Down 19) / (Up 19)

ROCHDALE 495 (Up 38) / (Up 81)

MANCHESTER 553 (Up 177) / (Up 262)

SALFORD 587 (Up 130) / (Up 247)

STOCKPORT 596 (Up 132) / (Up 280)

BURY 660 (Up 193) / Up (Up 290)

TRAFFORD 765 (Up 184) / (Up 392)
 
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Anyone else got this new one ? Chest is fine rest of my body feels like I’m being beaten up.
I’ve tested positive . Feel terrible mate. All the symptoms sound like the Omicron variant. Constant fever, aching muscles, sore throat, coughing but my breathing is ok. Knocked me for 6 this and I’m usually never sick
 
Anyone else got this new one ? Chest is fine rest of my body feels like I’m being beaten up.
A lot of the medical reports on Omicron from South Africa suggest it is mostly an upper respitory infection and does not often get as far as the lungs as the previous strains did which is why the idea it is milder seems to have become common.

In the sense oxygen and ventilation is more rarely needed than with other strains.

So it does appear to have changed its method of attack on the body with resulting different symptoms compared with Delta.

Milder is less the case than different but its consequences on length of hospital stay is a reduction of time and less invasive treatment.

If I have followed this correctly.
 
A lot of the medical reports on Omicron from South Africa suggest it is mostly an upper respitory infection and does not often get as far as the lungs as the previous strains did which is why the idea it is milder seems to have become common.

In the sense oxygen and ventilation is more rarely needed than with other strains.

So it does appear to have changed its method of attack on the body with resulting different symptoms compared with Delta.

Milder is less the case than different but its consequences on length of hospital stay is a reduction of time and less invasive treatment.

If I have followed this correctly.
Thanks for that I was surprised it’s not effecting my breathing, rest of me feels like I’ve been run over by a truck, got some good neighbours that’ll do my shopping so not all bad.
 
Perhaps true Gabriel, right now I do not think anyone can call this. But I do not see how an exponential rise to say half a million cases a day is even tenable in the UK. We will reach a saturation point surely. If not least because there will be a limit to testing capacity and people will stop testing to keep in work if it is correct this is not much worse than a heavy cold for most. I do not see any rush to full lockdown if the uptick in hospital numbers is sustainable as it will be if the South African levels translate to here - IF being the key word as in so many things right now.

There are a lot of such ifs and buts in the comng weeks and I doubt anyone really knows where this is going to go.
That’s a very balanced post and therefore it has no place on here :)

From a starting point of 100,000 cases a day and a doubling time of two days then after two weeks it would be 12.8 million cases daily. Clearly it would burn out very quickly so it’s all down to the severity of it. We’ll know very soon.
 
That’s a very balanced post and therefore it has no place on here :)

From a starting point of 100,000 cases a day and a doubling time of two days then after two weeks it would be 12.8 million cases daily. Clearly it would burn out very quickly so it’s all down to the severity of it. We’ll know very soon.
Thank you and the date we will really know seems to keep getting pushed back. This mornings parliamentary session with the key doctors led to them saying we may not have answers until the first week in January.

At the same time we are being told numbers are doubling every two days. In which case we will surely know soon after that as cases will be high enough to have created changes in hospitals rapidly.

London has gone in the past 4 days :- 9969 - 11,791 - 12,852 - 19,294

That is Omicron + Delta. And Omicron squashing Delta to become dominant.

Which is not the same thing as Omicron doubling indefinitely every two days.

We will see but once Delta has crushed Omicron it may well stop going up steeply and by then may be at its peak of infectivity so may peak quite soon after that.

It happened in South Africa but the UK situation is different on so many levels. We have far more Delta cases to squash.

But I am not sure anyone expects the next 4 days in London to be 30K, 45 K, 60 K, 90 K

If it is then in three weeks all of London will have caught it.

It almost HAS to slow especially as whilst Omicron rises Delta is falling fast and will soon vanish in London. That alone will change the way the numbers fall.

The other regions will all follow London.

North West is on its tail - last 3 days (it FELL 4 days ago) - 3317 - 5345 - 7623.

IF the London pattern continues here we might expect a five figure NW total for the first time ever and many of those cases will be in Greater Manchester, Manchester alone is all but sure to top 1000 cases in a day any time soon.

How high these two regions go remains to be seen. But it looks likely to be a short sharp wave. That is what doctors are fearing and expecting because it could overwhelm health care all at once if not spread over weeks or months as in past waves. With many staff off work too even if not seriously ill cutting into the ability to care for thse who are.

We also do not know how fast numbers fall after the peak. We might get clues from South Africa soon. But we should not expect the UK to mirror SA exactly.

Plus one by one all the other UK regions will follow where London, North West (and it seems in past 2 days Midlands) have led. So that will slow down the wave a bit but not as in past waves by weeks - it looks likely with Omicron only by days, Hence the prediction of trul astounding daily case numbers over the rest of December.

We are likely to set new records many times unfortunately. And that should soon tell us the true consequenceon the health service in patients and likely deaths.

Both WILL go up. It is merely a question of how much. Basically from a little to a lot. With the truth likely somewhere in between.
 
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Perhaps true Gabriel, right now I do not think anyone can call this. But I do not see how an exponential rise to say half a million cases a day is even tenable in the UK. We will reach a saturation point surely. If not least because there will be a limit to testing capacity and people will stop testing to keep in work if it is correct this is not much worse than a heavy cold for most. I do not see any rush to full lockdown if the uptick in hospital numbers is sustainable as it will be if the South African levels translate to here - IF being the key word as in so many things right now.

There are a lot of such ifs and buts in the comng weeks and I doubt anyone really knows where this is going to go.
‘If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry Christmas!’

The fact that the U.K. now has Christmas and New Year will likely blunt some transmission, as people may yet be socialising but education and offices closing will naturally reduce contact and slow the peak. Radio 4 had doctors on this morning warning of staff shortages across London as staff isolate, so the Government has an unenviable call about locking down or relaxing isolation times. I reckon you’ll start to hear talk of reducing the isolation time for transport/health workers early next week.

Australia 221-2. Just a bit of data…
 
WALES DATA TODAY



0 deaths - was 15 last week - THis zero looks suspicious but no comment on it in the release

2889 cases - was 2302 last week (previous two Thursdays were 2377 & 2791 - so fairly flat over the month - up 98 in 3 weeks is not exactly doubling every 2 days here - YET)

10.5% positivity - was 9.4% last week

383 patients - was 388 last week

36 ventilated - was 39 last week


As yet in Wales not the exponential growth we are expecting from Omicron - though possible first hints here with a largish weekly rise.

Hospital data - though - like in England - still showing no obvious impact - but early days given the lag.
 
Deaths have been on a downward trend since 5th Nov - although pretty flat in the last 2 weeks.
 
ENGLAND HOSPITAL DATA

NW has had a rise in deaths past week and ventilator numbers rising a bit there too.

UK Numbers today are a good fall but would have been even better bar the North West



96 with 22 North West

Was 105 with 17 NW last week & 103 with 20 NW week before

East 9, London 14, Midlands 13, NE & Yorkshire 14, North West 22, South East 9 & South West 15

7 in Plymouth & 5 in North Bristol the most


NW Trusts:

3 each in Bolton, Nth Lancashire & Pennine Acute (Oldham/Rochdale), 2 each in Blackpool, Manchester, Tameside & Warrington AND 1 each in East Cheshire, Chester, Morecambe, Stockport & Wirral.


By Age:

20 - 39 (1), 40 - 59 (17), 60 - 79 (40) & 80 PLUS (38)
 
ENGLAND HOSPITAL DEATHS

We now have the seven day total for the past week at five days (DEC 5 - DEC 11)

It has FALLEN again and is actually the lowest total for three weeks.

TOTALS AT 5 DAYS:- 80 - 73 - 70 - 66 - 71 - 56 - 61 = TOTAL 477

Week NOV 28 - DEC 4 TOTAL 498

Week NOV 21 - NOV 27 TOTAL 496

Week NOV 14 - NOV 20 TOTAL 475


Deaths being very flat going into mid winter is to say the least good news. Though we are yet to find out what the big cases rise from Omicron will do to these numbers.
 
SCOTLAND DATA

18 deaths - was 16 last week

5951 cases - was 3196 last week - 2755 rise wk to wk V one of 2078 yesterday

10.8% positivity - was 8.0% last week

531 patients - down 13 on yesterday - was 578 last week

34 ventilated icu - was 38 yesterday & 39 last week -
 
NORTHERN IRELAND DATA


6 deaths - was 4 last week

2237 cases - was 1819 last week

12,548 WEEKLY CASES - WAS 12,166 YESTERDAY & 12,281 LAST WEEK

35 CARE HOME OUTBREAKS - WAS 32 YESTERDAY & 35 LAST WEEK

309 patients - was 315 yesterday & 338 last week

25 Ventilated - was 27 yesterday & 30 last week

HERE IS THE WEEKLY CASES PER AGE GROUP

THE YOUNG V OLD SPLIT STILL STARK 8814 UNDER 40 V 627 OVER 60. QUITE A FEW NO DOUBT FROM THE 35 CARE HOME COVID OUTBREAKS

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NORTHERN IRELAND DATA


6 deaths - was 4 last week

2237 cases - was 1819 last week

12,548 WEEKLY CASES - WAS 12,166 YESTERDAY & 12,281 LAST WEEK

35 CARE HOME OUTBREAKS - WAS 32 YESTERDAY & 35 LAST WEEK

309 patients - was 315 yesterday & 338 last week

25 Ventilated - was 27 yesterday & 30 last week

HERE IS THE WEEKLY CASES PER AGE GROUP

THE YOUNG V OLD SPLIT STILL STARK 8814 UNDER 40 V 627 OVER 60. QUITE A FEW NO DOUBT FROM THE 35 CARE HOME COVID OUTBREAKS

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Rammy will be pulling his hair out, he’s got more than me so no bad thing :-)
 

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