Coronavirus (2021) thread

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Where does any of that reply refer to "personal responsibility" ?

I'm not calling for lockdowns or any of that shit, I'm as fed up with this as anyone else, but I'm looking after me and mine, and personal responsibility is at the forefront, it won't stop me catching it, because I'm also trying to do whatever I can for a "normal" life, but I still take as much care as I can.

Those at that party tonight, might not test positive this week, but might still be infected, and then take the infection to a loved one next weekend, as a result of the unvaccinated members of staff who live in a currently highly infected area, not to mention they may give it to others they are not connected to, who might spread it further as well.

they could, or they could all be triple jabbed and still spread it. You take the measures you feel are appropriate, make your own risk assessment and then the world does its thing. The people who want to break the rules will break them, the only people who won't are the ones who are complaining about not having more rules not to break anyway.

We've done shielding, we've done lockdowns, we've done masks, we've done social distancing, we've done the in and out of lockdowns hokey cokey, we've done 2 jabs, we were told that would make us free again, we're now 3 jabs, more restrictions on the way and we're still here and society is still functioning, the world is still turning and people every day will still live and die.

You're not going to stop people doing what you don't like. Christ, you're a mod on here, you wouldn't be able to function if we took the Covid restrictions attitude to things like that.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

look what they did in places like Spain and Italy - if you think we experienced lockdown you are seriously deluded. Whilst we were told to wear a mask in a shop unless you could print off a £2 exemption lanyard from Amazon they were demanding papers on the street to show you were allowed out....

and people were told a vaccine would last at least 6 months and if they were jabbed they'd be jabbing out of lockdown...we can all be as semantic as you want but you take away from the underlying reality.

 

[cleavers]

Christ, you're a mod on here, you wouldn't be able to function if we took the Covid restrictions attitude to things like that.

Read my post above yours, bye.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

nobody mandates a flu vaccine, I've never had one and I can do what I like. That's freedom.

Jab your way out of lockdown was literally the government mantra for the summer in their propaganda drive.

You break people's norm, they're going to fight back, rightly. There's no empirical need for a 3 month jab for the rest of our lives but that's what your wilfully setting a precedent for.

Covid is everywhere and as has been stated, Omicron isn't Ebola or we'd genuinely have a problem.

We have different perspectives. Some people want to be jabbed all the time, I don't, I did my bit in the summer and the counterparty hasn't kept their side of the bargain as far as I'm concerned, so I'm happy for others to take their chance with the booster and they'll either be proved right, in which case great, or they'll be lining up again, and history books will be written about what they created as a society.

I have no idea what you’re babbling on about now. You’ve clearly not read what I wrote properly and by still saying stupid things like “3 month jab for the rest of our lives” it just makes you completely not worth taking any bloody notice of at all.

And why are you comparing a new strain of Covid to Ebola? Ebola has a short incubation period and kills a great deal of the people it infects before they pass it on to other people and makes the others who transmit it severely ill so they are bed bound so also can’t pass it on. Therefore, it doesn’t really spread widely.

You can go 9½ days of having and shedding Covid before you even know you’ve got it so could eventually kill ten times as many people from passing it on than of you had Ebola.

There have been 24 outbreaks of Ebola in the last 40 years and it’s killed under 16,000 worldwide. There has been one outbreak of Covid, ever, and so far it’s killed 5,340,000 in 2 years and we could be in the early stages of this for all we know. Covid is a far worse virus than Ebola in terms of it being a virus that kills homosapiens.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Hahaha the absolute state of em.

Slightly off topic, but I hooted with joy when that utter **** rioter who was trying to set fire to the police van, got 14 years.

Plenty of time for him to contemplate what a compete and utter loser he is.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I have no idea what you’re babbling on about now. You’ve clearly not read what I wrote properly and by still saying stupid things like “3 month jab for the rest of our lives” it just makes you completely not worth taking any bloody notice of at all.

Well the last one lasted that long, so why will the same thing be any different this time? And when they've conditioned that to be the new normal, why would they change it?

Otherwise you were equating to things that don't really matter.

 

[meltonblue]

No, the conundrum presented is if you want to keep old people and vulnerable people alive at all costs to everyone else, then you have to put in policies that are against people's basic human rights, and ruin the majority of people's lives to desperately keep your priority alive.

As a result, you knock a huge swathe of the population out of circulation with isolation for something the vast, vast majority sit at home maybe feeling a bit ropey but nothing more. So they're not in work in hospital treating people and thus our services are under even more pressure.

We're supposed to be learning to live with it. That unfortunately means an unpalatable truth, but it seems younger generations are to foot the bill as they're for some reason less valuable, less worthy of their freedoms and it doesn't matter if they lose jobs, commit suicide or die of other conditions, as long as certain demographics are "Protected" by hook or by crook.

nobody mandates a flu vaccine, I've never had one and I can do what I like. That's freedom.

Jab your way out of lockdown was literally the government mantra for the summer in their propaganda drive.

You break people's norm, they're going to fight back, rightly. There's no empirical need for a 3 month jab for the rest of our lives but that's what your wilfully setting a precedent for.

Covid is everywhere and as has been stated, Omicron isn't Ebola or we'd genuinely have a problem.

We have different perspectives. Some people want to be jabbed all the time, I don't, I did my bit in the summer and the counterparty hasn't kept their side of the bargain as far as I'm concerned, so I'm happy for others to take their chance with the booster and they'll either be proved right, in which case great, or they'll be lining up again, and history books will be written about what they created as a society.

That’s ultimately why there’s little point in having a separate political thread to this one as the politics and the science are so conflated now.

The initial vaccine was never seen as a path to freedom that would mean no further restrictions ever. There’s a reason a big point they made at the time was around the ability to adapt some of the vaccines at a quick speed in order to combat future variants, as that was always going to be the likely outcome needed at some point in the future, as well as potential resctrictions depending on the severity of the outbreak at the time. Thankfully, the existing vaccines haven’t needed modification yet.

What we have now, due to that stupid government messaging that people seemingly listened to more rather than the science despite knowing what politicians are like, is a situation where people are blaming the vaccines and scientists for the situation we’re in now, despite them saying all along this was a likely scenario, rather than thinking that the government have implemented restrictions without putting any of the financial support mechanisms in place that wre always going to be needed to support them doing it.

No one has done their full bit yet. It was always going to need more doing by everyone - individuals, scientists and most importantly the government.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

That’s ultimately why there’s little point in having a separate political thread to this one as the politics and the science are so conflated now.

The initial vaccine was never seen as a path to freedom that would mean no further restrictions ever. There’s a reason a big point they made at the time was around the ability to adapt some of the vaccines at a quick speed in order to combat future variants, as that was always going to be the likely outcome needed at some point in the future, as well as potential resctrictions depending on the severity of the outbreak at the time. Thankfully, the existing vaccines haven’t needed modification yet.

What we have now, due to that stupid government messaging that people seemingly listened to more rather than the science despite knowing what politicians are like, is a situation where people are blaming the vaccines and scientists for the situation we’re in now, despite them saying all along this was a likely scenario, rather than thinking that the government have implemented restrictions without putting any of the financial support mechanisms in place that wre always going to be needed to support them doing it.

No one has done their full bit yet. It was always going to need more doing by everyone - individuals, scientists and most importantly the government.

and that's the fairest post of the bunch. Ultimately, people were sold a bill of goods in the summer and are now doubtful whether they can trust the messaging again, especially those who were doubtful and make big concessions to have the first 2 jabs.

There are some who've refused entirely and that discussion would just circle round endlessly as they won't listen now as they didn't at the start. The problem, whether you like they're reasoning or not, is that more and more people now want to hold off because they're doubtful and mistrustful of the messaging, and the booster rollout has been very heavy handed and the first 2 doses have been a let down.

Scientific "might, could, should" messaging doesn't help. I know it's scientific caveats, and is the natural course of scientific endeavour, but when it comes to people's bodies they want definitive "it will, it does" and even more so when the "should" from the first 2 jabs didn't materialise. So now, more and more people want to wait and see and see what it "does" in the people who are willing to take it straight up. Each to their own, but the black and white discourse does nobody any favours, because people have given a lot just to have 2 jabs and the lack of respect for those people is uncalled for.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Well the last one lasted that long, so why will the same thing be any different this time? And when they've conditioned that to be the new normal, why would they change it?

Otherwise you were equating to things that don't really matter.

On BBC News now:

5. It is still too early to reliably assess the severity of disease caused by Omicron compared to previous variants. Although a preliminary analysis from South Africa suggests that this wave may be less severe than previous waves, a comparison of SGTF (mainly Omicron) and SGTP (non-Omicron) cases within this wave suggests less difference between variants. Some severity estimates should start to become available in about a week as hospital data accumulate. Even if there were to be a modest reduction in severity compared to Delta, very high numbers of infections would still lead to significant pressure on hospitals.

6. As a result of the very high number of current infections, hospitalisations in UK will reach high levels in about two weeks even if transmission is reduced soon, because there are lags between infections, symptoms appearing, and hospitalisation (high confidence). There are likely to be between 1,000 and 2,000 hospital admissions per day in England by the en of the year. Many of these will be people who are already infected now or who become infected in the next few days. The acceleration of the booster vaccination programme will not affect transmission and severe and mild disease in time to mitigate these hospitalisations for the rest of 2021 (high confidence).

7. Without intervention beyond those measures already in place ('Plan B'), modelling indicates a peak of at least 3,000 hospital admissions per day in England. Some

 

[bluethrunthru]

That’s ultimately why there’s little point in having a separate political thread to this one as the politics and the science are so conflated now.

The initial vaccine was never seen as a path to freedom that would mean no further restrictions ever. There’s a reason a big point they made at the time was around the ability to adapt some of the vaccines at a quick speed in order to combat future variants, as that was always going to be the likely outcome needed at some point in the future, as well as potential resctrictions depending on the severity of the outbreak at the time. Thankfully, the existing vaccines haven’t needed modification yet.

What we have now, due to that stupid government messaging that people seemingly listened to more rather than the science despite knowing what politicians are like, is a situation where people are blaming the vaccines and scientists for the situation we’re in now, despite them saying all along this was a likely scenario, rather than thinking that the government have implemented restrictions without putting any of the financial support mechanisms in place that wre always going to be needed to support them doing it.

No one has done their full bit yet. It was always going to need more doing by everyone - individuals, scientists and most importantly the government.

lets face it - each jab is a stepping stone to buy time...the idea is hopefully to find a way of avoiding getting Covid - 19 for life. The 2nd goal is finding a formula which enables that to happen with annual jabs, Its either polio or flu but either outcome is better than what we have.

Inadequate messaging and wilful misrepresentation has some people believing that the first jab was the end goal - which it was never presented as by the medical community - I can't answer for Hantwats representation of it with his tears and snogging but at the end of the day the stage is so full of bad actors from individuals - " celebrities" and the media that it undermines our chances

 

[grunge]

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nobody mandates a flu vaccine, I've never had one and I can do what I like. That's freedom.

Jab your way out of lockdown was literally the government mantra for the summer in their propaganda drive.

You break people's norm, they're going to fight back, rightly. There's no empirical need for a 3 month jab for the rest of our lives but that's what your wilfully setting a precedent for.

Covid is everywhere and as has been stated, Omicron isn't Ebola or we'd genuinely have a problem.

We have different perspectives. Some people want to be jabbed all the time, I don't, I did my bit in the summer and the counterparty hasn't kept their side of the bargain as far as I'm concerned, so I'm happy for others to take their chance with the booster and they'll either be proved right, in which case great, or they'll be lining up again, and history books will be written about what they created as a society.

The counter party is a virus. They are not known for keeping agreements.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

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The counter party is a virus. Not known for keeping agreements.

not really. The counterparty is the government and always will be. The virus is just the variable.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

they could, or they could all be triple jabbed and still spread it. You take the measures you feel are appropriate, make your own risk assessment and then the world does its thing. The people who want to break the rules will break them, the only people who won't are the ones who are complaining about not having more rules not to break anyway.

We've done shielding, we've done lockdowns, we've done masks, we've done social distancing, we've done the in and out of lockdowns hokey cokey, we've done 2 jabs, we were told that would make us free again, we're now 3 jabs, more restrictions on the way and we're still here and society is still functioning, the world is still turning and people every day will still live and die.

You're not going to stop people doing what you don't like. Christ, you're a mod on here, you wouldn't be able to function if we took the Covid restrictions attitude to things like that.

Let it lie. Please have a think.
Is it any good for your health to spend so much time on here submitting so many posts. It's ultimately futile. Honestly I'm just trying to help.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Well the last one lasted that long, so why will the same thing be any different this time? And when they've conditioned that to be the new normal, why would they change it?

Otherwise you were equating to things that don't really matter.

That’s strange because I had my second vaccination in June and it’s now December and I’ve only just booked my booster. Now I’ll count the months out just so we’re secure in the fact this this number of months is more than three:
July - one
August - two
September - three
October - four
November - five
December - six

 

[SWP's back]

We have different perspectives. Some people want to be jabbed all the time, I don't, I did my bit in the summer and the counterparty hasn't kept their side of the bargain as far as I'm concerned, so I'm happy for others to take their chance with the booster and they'll either be proved right, in which case great, or they'll be lining up again, and history books will be written about what they created as a society.

wibble.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

That’s strange because I had my second vaccination in June and it’s now December and I’ve only just booked my booster. Now I’ll count the months out just so we’re secure in the fact this this number of months is more than three:
July - one
August - two
September - three
October - four
November - five
December - six

government has switched it to 3 and you know it. Why if it lasts for at least 6 because you wouldn't need it.

 

[WNRH]

they could, or they could all be triple jabbed and still spread it. You take the measures you feel are appropriate, make your own risk assessment and then the world does its thing. The people who want to break the rules will break them, the only people who won't are the ones who are complaining about not having more rules not to break anyway.

We've done shielding, we've done lockdowns, we've done masks, we've done social distancing, we've done the in and out of lockdowns hokey cokey, we've done 2 jabs, we were told that would make us free again, we're now 3 jabs, more restrictions on the way and we're still here and society is still functioning, the world is still turning and people every day will still live and die.

You're not going to stop people doing what you don't like. Christ, you're a mod on here, you wouldn't be able to function if we took the Covid restrictions attitude to things like that.

What is the answer then?

 

[Well Wisher]

government has switched it to 3 and you know it. Why if it lasts for at least 6 because you wouldn't need it.

He's been a mass murderer for the last three months.

 

[meltonblue]

and that's the fairest post of the bunch. Ultimately, people were sold a bill of goods in the summer and are now doubtful whether they can trust the messaging again, especially those who were doubtful and make big concessions to have the first 2 jabs.

There are some who've refused entirely and that discussion would just circle round endlessly as they won't listen now as they didn't at the start. The problem, whether you like they're reasoning or not, is that more and more people now want to hold off because they're doubtful and mistrustful of the messaging, and the booster rollout has been very heavy handed and the first 2 doses have been a let down.

Scientific "might, could, should" messaging doesn't help. I know it's scientific caveats, and is the natural course of scientific endeavour, but when it comes to people's bodies they want definitive "it will, it does" and even more so when the "should" from the first 2 jabs didn't materialise. So now, more and more people want to wait and see and see what it "does" in the people who are willing to take it straight up. Each to their own, but the black and white discourse does nobody any favours, because people have given a lot just to have 2 jabs and the lack of respect for those people is uncalled for.

Absolutely and they have every right to be doubtful as the messaging (and actions) throughout has been appalling from the government. The vaccine development and rollout was a huge success. That a booster of the same vaccines can combat Omicron is a huge success too. The reason it’s seen as a let down that a booster is even needed is due to the messaging from government that’s made the scientists roles even harder than it needed to be, which was hard enough in the first place.

The knock on impact will lose lives. The impact of the government imposing restrictions without putting in the appropriate support measures will also lose livelihoods and lives on top.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Absolutely and they have every right to be doubtful as the messaging (and actions) throughout has been appalling from the government. The vaccine development and rollout was a huge success. That a booster of the same vaccines can combat Omicron is a huge success too. The reason it’s seen as a let down that a booster is even needed is due to the messaging from government that’s made the scientists roles even harder than it needed to be, which was hard enough in the first place.

The knock on impact will lose lives. The impact of the government imposing restrictions without putting in the appropriate support measures will also lose livelihoods and lives on top.

At least you get it.