Coronavirus (2021) thread

[M18CTID]

Nothing at all comparing and debating different research is good. What isn't is a tenedency to dismiss research that goes against a pesonal opinion as lies and the scientist being corrupt and in the pockets of poliiticians that want to lock us down and restict business. Though thats never explained why they would want to do something that hurts the economy and is unpopular.

I’m not sure @BlueAnorak has ever suggested anything like that, yet that other clown has been on his case for a couple of weeks now and simply won’t shut his grid

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

By which you mean South African experts whose views you think support your own.

Not South African experts who think German restrictions are appropriate: “So we would do well to be very careful with this variant.”



Director of CERI: Centre for Epidemic Response & innovation, South Africa

Do you go with that expert?

that’s the trouble with science it’s all about opinions ;)

 

[grunge]

I realise this is very early on for this question as we are only at week 4, But Omicon and Long Covid? any evidence doing the rounds?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

a couple of days of cold like symptoms but much brighter today. It seems to me it’s mild but i am no expert

Glad you're ok. This is the experience of many people with covid, vaccinated or not, throughout the epidemic.

 

[Rammy Blue]

By which you mean South African experts whose views you think support your own.

Not South African experts who think German restrictions are appropriate: “So we would do well to be very careful with this variant.”



Director of CERI: Centre for Epidemic Response & innovation, South Africa

Do you go with that expert?

He’s just saying be cautious. Well there’s a novel idea.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Glad you're ok. This is the experience of many people with covid, vaccinated or not, throughout the epidemic.

Certainly the overriding experience of the majority with omicron, completely different to delta even in my own experience.

 

[BlueAnorak]

UKHSA initial report to be published soon...

Omicron COVID symptoms milder than Delta in UK, early data suggests

UK Health Security Agency expected to say transmissibility of the new variant is very high, meaning large numbers may still end up in hospital.

www.politico.eu

 

[roubaixtuesday]

that’s the trouble with science it’s all about opinions ;)

In serious vein, science progresses by scientists having different opinions, then testing those against data.

Bluemoon, on the other hand, progresses by having an opinion, then entrenching it regardless of the data.

In the early stages of anything new, scientists and experts will have different opinions. A good way to judge whether they're reliable is if they acknowledge the uncertainty and refer to other possibilities.

You'll note since the first emergence of omicron, there are posters here who:
- assert their opinion as fact
- never offer a reference or link to the facts they claim
- insult and dismiss world experts.

Anyone who does any of this should be treated with extreme scepticism IMO

 

[Gabriel]

By which you mean South African experts whose views you think support your own.

Not South African experts who think German restrictions are appropriate: “So we would do well to be very careful with this variant.”



Director of CERI: Centre for Epidemic Response & innovation, South Africa

Do you go with that expert?

Western Easter is the middle of April and Omicron travels at the speed of Jeff Bezos rather than Phileas Fogg. If it is indeed more virulent, then many of us will no longer be around when they do get their results (even with restrictions). :-(

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Certainly the overriding experience of the majority with omicron

I've no idea if this is right or wrong.

Do you have any evidence for this?

 

[blueparrot]

I’m not sure @BlueAnorak has ever suggested anything like that, yet that other clown has been on his case for a couple of weeks now and simply won’t shut his grid

No, I wasn't talking about @BlueAnorak , or any poster in particular it was a general point about some attitudes to the science and research generally

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

Does anyone know how they asess severity of a new variant? is it only by comparing people who have had no previous infections or jabs, or had 1 strain, Delta and Omicron? jabs and no infections? or just it all possibilities together? seems like there would be so many variables to untangle.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Western Easter is the middle of April and Omicron travels at the speed of Jeff Bezos rather than Phileas Fogg. If it is indeed more virulent, then many of us will no longer be around when they do get their results (even with restrictions). :-(

Sure. But all of bluemoon must agree, because they're a South African expert, right?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Does anyone know how they asess severity of a new variant? is it only by comparing people who have had no previous infections or jabs, or had 1 strain, Delta and Omicron? jabs and no infections? or just it all possibilities together? seems like there would be so many variables to untangle.

This is exactly why virtually no-one reputable thinks strong conclusions can be drawn from SA.

 

[Gabriel]

Sure. But all of bluemoon must agree, because they're a South African expert, right?

Bluemoon must never agree on anything; that’s the first rule of Bluemoon.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Bluemoon must never agree on anything; that’s the first rule of Bluemoon.

Rag.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

In serious vein, science progresses by scientists having different opinions, then testing those against data.

Bluemoon, on the other hand, progresses by having an opinion, then entrenching it regardless of the data.

In the early stages of anything new, scientists and experts will have different opinions. A good way to judge whether they're reliable is if they acknowledge the uncertainty and refer to other possibilities.

You'll note since the first emergence of omicron, there are posters here who:
- assert their opinion as fact
- never offer a reference or link to the facts they claim
- insult and dismiss world experts.

Anyone who does any of this should be treated with extreme scepticism IMO

there are those who are optimistic and race to find things on Twitter that reinforce their view and post here

equally there are the more pessimistic posters who have a view and find things on Twitter to reinforce their view.

it was the same with brexit .

 

[Octavian]

Their is No conclusive data either way so it is right to err on the side of caution. All i am saying is don't listen to people on an internet forum over the experts . I'm immune compromised, believe me i want it to be weaker. I want a weaker strain to eradicate all other variants and covid becomes nothing more than other seasonal virus' and when the experts say that then i will believe it. Not Walter Mitty's on the internet.

Of course it’s still early days but the experts are saying the data looks positive so far and there hasn’t been a huge nationwide increase in hospitalisations or deaths… so why the fuck should we ruin lives by locking down?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Of course it’s still early days but the experts are saying the data looks positive so far and there hasn’t been a huge nationwide increase in hospitalisations or deaths… so why the fuck should we ruin lives by locking down?

Not sure he’s advocating a lockdown.

Anyone who suggests that we need to be cautious whilst the data is collated and analysed is accused of wanting a lockdown though.

 

[blueparrot]

Of course it’s still early days but the experts are saying the data looks positive so far and there hasn’t been a huge nationwide increase in hospitalisations or deaths… so why the fuck should we ruin lives by locking down?

We haven't.