Coronavirus (2021) thread

[carlosthejackal]

Just found out that a rabid anti-vaxxer we know has caught it. He had a hilarious meltdown on FB a few weeks ago, saying that if anyone didn’t agree with him that it’s all about control then they should unfriend him. So I did just that.
Anyway, he now has Covid and apparently he’s been rough as fuck with it - got the shits and throwing up. I’ve just spent the past half hour pissing my sides laughing at the news.

No doubt he’ll be happy taking up a hospital bed and the precious time of doctors and nurses if he needs it , absolute fucking idiots .

 

[BlueAnorak]

Now this is a personal story and I doubt it will ever get reported in the media (not at this level anayway)

My wife is a social worker who works in adult care and yesterday she was in work (working from home). Out of the 4 people working she was the only one who didn't have COVID yep that's right they had all had PCR and tested positive. This was one team in Stockport and this pattern was very similar across the council. This was bad enough if not coupled with the fact that 23 care homes across Stockport were closed due to staff and/or patients with COVID.

For anyone who thinks that we should just let rip with this new variant, this is why we shouldn't. Unless of course you are happy to see deaths piling up because no matter what you do there are consequences to all this.

It will let rip anyway. It is simply too infectious. As Dr. Campbell says most of us will catch it (as it has a natural R0 as high as measles).
The issue is do you apply strict restrictions and defer the case deluge till the summer when immunity declines.
This is what the SAGE model predicts in terms of infections. Probably over egging the pudding but there you are.
We except a splurge now or a slightly reduced splurge in June onwards and if another variant arrives in the meantime that's double trouble.
The hit on the economy is so much less if we let rip now with high vaccine and Delta induced immunity.

 

[metalblue]

No, they don't. Or we'd be in lockdowns as they'd be easy to implement.

You need to step outside the covid debate for a moment… you’re saying you don’t think basic human rights curtail any freedom of the individual? Are you sure?

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

You need to step outside the covid debate for a moment… you’re saying you don’t think basic human rights curtail any freedom of the individual? Are you sure?

We have established human rights hard won in world wars that a now predominantly mild virus shouldn't infringe upon to any tangible degree.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Now this is a personal story and I doubt it will ever get reported in the media (not at this level anayway)

My wife is a social worker who works in adult care and yesterday she was in work (working from home). Out of the 4 people working she was the only one who didn't have COVID yep that's right they had all had PCR and tested positive. This was one team in Stockport and this pattern was very similar across the council. This was bad enough if not coupled with the fact that 23 care homes across Stockport were closed due to staff and/or patients with COVID.

For anyone who thinks that we should just let rip with this new variant, this is why we shouldn't. Unless of course you are happy to see deaths piling up because no matter what you do there are consequences to all this.

Deaths aren’t “piling up” though are they.

183000 ‘cases’ yesterday.

57 deaths.

We need to just move on with our lives.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

The bodies are mostly of the flat earthers who refuse the jabs. Dont get me wrong, I’d rather not have had mine but the downsides of being jabbed are not as bad as being dead so I went ahead and got them. I’m sure in the olden days, people used to call it a cold but now it’s mass hysteria.

The more of those thick twats that croak it the better for the gene pool.

 

[blueparrot]

Deaths aren’t “piling up” though are they.

183000 ‘cases’ yesterday.

57 deaths.

We need to just move on with our lives.

No, but that's because we are keeping hospitals safe with minor restrictions. Deaths won't pile up if we continue to do that. If you want deaths piling up before taking any action then it's already too late.

 

[blueparrot]

The bodies are mostly of the flat earthers who refuse the jabs. Dont get me wrong, I’d rather not have had mine but the downsides of being jabbed are not as bad as being dead so I went ahead and got them. I’m sure in the olden days, people used to call it a cold but now it’s mass hysteria.

No they aren't you are completely missing the point of protecting the NHS.

 

[Healdplace]

Now this is a personal story and I doubt it will ever get reported in the media (not at this level anayway)

My wife is a social worker who works in adult care and yesterday she was in work (working from home). Out of the 4 people working she was the only one who didn't have COVID yep that's right they had all had PCR and tested positive. This was one team in Stockport and this pattern was very similar across the council. This was bad enough if not coupled with the fact that 23 care homes across Stockport were closed due to staff and/or patients with COVID.

For anyone who thinks that we should just let rip with this new variant, this is why we shouldn't. Unless of course you are happy to see deaths piling up because no matter what you do there are consequences to all this.

No surprise - the numbers in Stockport are second worst EVER across anyhere in Greater Manchester - only because Salford is doing slightly worse. And in sheer numbers but not relatively Manchester had over 2000 cases alone yesterday. But being larger population is not relatively as bad as Stockport.

Stockport and Salford both have WEEKLY pop scores of over 2000. Those are giant numbers. The government pre vaccine locked down boroughs that reached over 500. Everywhere in GM is about 3 times that number now.

Stockport had a record 1187 cases yesterday. That is 4 times what it had 2 weeks ago.

It also had the highest daily Pop Score yesterday that I have ever seen in the UK - over 400 in one day! 2 weeks ago it was 50.

Yes these ARE just cases and hopefully all milder. But inevitably some will not be. And a small percentage of a lot will still be a concern and so many off isolating at once will stress all local services as you report.

 

[blueinsa]

Deaths aren’t “piling up” though are they.

183000 ‘cases’ yesterday.

57 deaths.

We need to just move on with our lives.

No……absolutely not……..we must save everyone, well not everyone, just those I agree with and anyone who doesn’t, well, they can all fuck off and die and those left can all do as they are told and what id like them to do……

Hope your Dad gets well soon blue.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Israel reports its first case of 'flurona'

Birthing mother diagnosed with both coronavirus and influenza virus infection simultaneously; health officials estimate many other patients also came down with both pathogens but have not been diagnosed

www.ynetnews.com

Let's hope these two viruses don't have an RNA gene exchange party. The longer the Omicron wave lasts the higher this will be.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Let's hope these two viruses don't have an RNA gene exchange party. The longer the Omicron wave lasts the higher this will be.

The Omicron variant, assuming it is much milder as reports suggest, will also be working to stop anti-vaxxers going into hospital. Once immunity is considered, both vaccine and prior infection driven, the latest variant will have done quite a lot of the heavy lifting, in those not yet vaccinated.

 

[Healdplace]

Scotland patients up 50% week to week much like London & North West in England. 540 to 810 there.

But ventilated patients fell from 38 to 34.

Consistent with lots of cases (16,857 in Scotland reported today) and a small percentage being hospitalised but very few as yet getting very sick to get to a seriou condition in icu.

That would lag cases obviously but the lomger this pattern continues and is seen everywhere now as it appears to be doing the more confident we can be this will be more a casedemic than anything too awful.

 

[metalblue]

We have established human rights hard won in world wars that a now predominantly mild virus shouldn't infringe upon to any tangible degree.

But we’re not talking about Omicron versus any other variant. We’re (well I was in any case) talking about people choosing not to be vaccinated and it’s impact on their perceived freedoms - my point is people have already conceded various freedoms for centuries. And very few of us would argue that sacrificing those freedoms have made for a better society - that civilised society you mentioned.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

No, but that's because we are keeping hospitals safe with minor restrictions. Deaths won't pile up if we continue to do that. If you want deaths piling up before taking any action then it's already too late.

It really isn’t. The minor restrictions we’re under now are nothing but theatre and lip service to placate the lockdown fanatics.

50% of people maybe wearing a mask round their chin every other time they go to Tesco’s is doing fuck all to “protect the NHS”.

The vaccines are protecting the NHS. As they should be.

We need to jab everyone whether they like it or not and just fuck off masks and the other nonsense.

 

[Healdplace]

Scotland patients up 50% week to week much like London & North West in England. 540 to 810 there.

But ventilated patients fell from 38 to 34.

Consistent with lots of cases (16,857 in Scotland reported today) and a small percentage being hospitalised but very few as yet getting very sick to get to a seriou condition in icu.

That would lag cases obviously but the lomger this pattern continues and is seen everywhere now as it appears to be doing the more confident we can be this will be more a casedemic than anything too awful.

Northern Ireland data much the same:-

Cases new record on 4706. Patients up in week from 254 to 303. But ventilated patients dowm from 26 to 24.

Slightly more worrying there is a shift in the age ratio with the % that are 60 and over testing positive rising by nearly 50% from under 5% to over 7% - but still very much the smallest group.

With the age range 20 - 39 way ahead of the rest now testing positive.

Biggest comcern is that over Christmas Care Home Outbreaks more than doubled from 44 to 97.

This is almost certainly the key reason for the uptick in the over 60s cases.Along with family visits to grandparents over Christmas.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

But we’re not talking about Omicron versus any other variant. We’re (well I was in any case) talking about people choosing not to be vaccinated and it’s impact on their perceived freedoms - my point is people have already conceded various freedoms for centuries. And very few of us would argue that sacrificing those freedoms have made for a better society - that civilised society you mentioned.

you might be, the people I've been replying to have been referring to "unvaccinated", which includes those who can't have one so have no choice but to rely on the NHS and everyone else getting jabbed.

Problem is on here everyone gets lumped into one pot so it's easier to attack with empty soundbites, so I've just done likewise to show how silly it is. People wanting people to not get NHS treatment and die because they've not been jabbed are ludicrous, we can take that logic to the nth degree and end up with the same people being the ones we kill off.

People have chosen not to go with the norm for centuries - those in an oppressive, undemocratic, uncivilised society got killed or persecuted for it. Those who lived in a civilised society were accepted despite their views being against scientific and social norms. We can make that association with many other things that don't stand up but have been accepted in recent times.

 

[blueparrot]

It really isn’t. The minor restrictions we’re under now are nothing but theatre and lip service to placate the lockdown fanatics.

50% of people maybe wearing a mask round their chin every other time they go to Tesco’s is doing fuck all to “protect the NHS”.

The vaccines are protecting the NHS. As they should be.

We need to jab everyone whether they like it or not and just fuck off masks and the other nonsense.

Then make people wear them properly. These things work we know that. Only one thing matteres keeping the numbers in hospital down. Whatever it takes anything else is self interest. Boris has taken a gamble that may or may not work, the other three nations are being more cautious ,nobody knows yet who's right.None of the restrictions in the UK are particulary hard, other countries have far tighter restrictions . We are guessing, it's how much you want to gamble,.

 

[Manc in London]

Missus (triple jabbed) tested positive on Boxing Day, while my daughter (12 and not vaccinated) tested positive last night. The missus is much better already, while my daughter only has a temperature and feels tired. Nothing with me so far. I am spending most of my time playing Mario Maker 2 and Super Mario 3.

Looks like the missus got it from going to the Spurs/West Ham game. Another reason to hate Spurs.

 

[Mike D]

3 Jabs later and were still using language like "Let the bodies pile high?"

And still we have the I'm, alright Jack its not gonna kill me why should I give a shit if people die attitude.

3 jabs won't stop you getting it and the weal and vulnerable will have their demises accelerated? Not sure this is so hard to accept?