Invisible Man's Bandage
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All that comment means is that you have a different opinion to me.
That's fair enough..
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west didsblue
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They clearly did have enough evidence from others without having to give the defence the opportunity to cast aspersions on Giuffre’s credibility due to the pay off. It would have watered down the prosecution case and it made perfect sense not to use her.I haven't followed the court case. So who did they call as a witness?
Maybe they had enough evidence from other sources that they didn't need too.?
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In that case, couldn't the defence have brought her in if you felt they could have cast doubt on her credibility?They clearly did have enough evidence from others without having to give the defence the opportunity to cast aspersions on Giuffre’s credibility due to the pay off. It would have watered down the prosecution case and it made perfect sense not to use her.
west didsblue
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Is there a credible link for that theory or is it off one of those antisemitic websites that blames the Rothschilds, Soros and/or Israel for everything that’s wrong in the world?And her dad Captain Bob never went overboard off that boat ... Thanks to Mossad, he lived his life out using MY pension money, the corrupt slug.
I wouldn't be suprised if they do similar for his daughter ...
west didsblue
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I think she would have to agree to be a defence witness which I would have thought was somewhat unlikely. Maybe someone with more knowledge of US law could confirm this?In that case, couldn't the defence have brought her in if you felt they could have cast doubt on her credibility?
Probably not the first but want to say it anyway, Maxwell didn’t kill herself.
Hopefully she/they does, slowly.
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For the record: I have no doubt that Epstein did commit all the crimes he was accused of. However, I'm not so sure about Maxwell.
The whole trial seemed really odd. Not much from the prosecution, no Roberts/Giuffre on the stand and a two day defence with Maxwell, also not on the stand.
I just have the feeling that she is paying the price that Epstein should be paying.
It’s irrelevant, Giuffre isn't the key witness that holds it altogether. The only thing interesting in her experience that didn't happen to the other girls is that she met Prince Andrew.
He isn't on trial here.
They abused dozens of girls but only the 5 strongest counts went to trial. Maxwell operated a pyramid scheme, all the prosecution needed to do was prove the existence of that scheme and that GM had the awareness of what these girls were actually doing with JE.
The short defense is all because of Maxwell and her attorney's chosen tactics. She chose to muddy the waters and use the false memory expert and she didn't testify because she believed the defense hadn't proved their case.
These people live in another world, they are sociopathic and immune from self-awareness. If she had any maybe she might have gone at it at a different angle and pretended to show contrition and sympathy for Epstein's victims and try to suggest he had duped her.
Couldn't have gone any worse than the tactics she actually used.
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Not quite a good analogy. Hitler just made a hand gesture to give his approval for the Holocaust, those prosecuted afterwards actually put the plan into action for him and did the crimes.sorry but this is a nonsense argument. Its like saying "why should we prosecute Nazi war criminals because really it was just Hitler to blame?". From what I followed, the prosecution case was very clear, she was up to her eyes in it, lived a luxury lifestyle on the back of vile sexual abuse and if not destroyed, then made her victims' lives very sad.
That said, I disagree with the other guy and I think Maxwell is pretty guilty of grooming and should face a hefty sentence.
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Is there a credible link for that theory or is it off one of those antisemitic websites that blames the Rothschilds, Soros and/or Israel for everything that’s wrong in the world?
Book published in 2002, there is also a times article claiming the FBI believed he was a soviet spy.
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I’ve seen plenty of credible discussion that he may have been a spy for Mossad or various other spy agencies and there’s no shortage of reasons why Mossad might have wanted to bump him off (such as trying to extort cash from them to replace the stolen pension fund money), but I’ve not seen anything credible that suggests he didn’t die on that boat. The Spanish did an autopsy which wouldn’t have been particularly easy to fake with that fat fucker.Book published in 2002, there is also a times article claiming the FBI believed he was a soviet spy.
Mad Eyed Screamer
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He didn't die on that boat....... but in the water ;)I’ve seen plenty of credible discussion that he may have been a spy for Mossad or various other spy agencies and there’s no shortage of reasons why Mossad might have wanted to bump him off (such as trying to extort cash from them to replace the stolen pension fund money), but I’ve not seen anything credible that suggests he didn’t die on that boat. The Spanish did an autopsy which wouldn’t have been particularly easy to fake with that fat fucker.
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Fair point.He didn't die on that boat....... but in the water ;)
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Had it been in Japanese waters, he'd have been harpooned!Fair point.
MaineDAWG2008
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Did the queen mention anything about Andrew in her Xmas speech?
Mad Eyed Screamer
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Yes. She said he came around Xmas Eve with a takeaway pizza. She said he went all the way to Woking to get it.Did the queen mention anything about Andrew in her Xmas speech?
bluethrunthru
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Some interesting exceptionalist language is deployed here - she was his "favourite daughter" - errr she was Robert Maxwells ONLY daughter. She is described as a "socialite " whereas if you were an Asian Taxi driver involved in such deeds you are a peadophile.....oh and immigrants arrive here but Brits living abroad are expats.....
She wasn't his only daughter though.Some interesting exceptionalist language is deployed here - she was his "favourite daughter" - errr she was Robert Maxwells ONLY daughter. She is described as a "socialite " whereas if you were an Asian Taxi driver involved in such deeds you are a peadophile.....oh and immigrants arrive here but Brits living abroad are expats.....
kaz7
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She was his lover and partner in crime ffsSeems like she could be a scape goat to me. Someone had to pay in the land of justice where Jacko and Simpson walked.