Coronavirus (2021) thread

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BerkshireBlue said:
And what's the main issue effecting hospital capacity?
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There are 2 , increasing numbers being admitted either with or for covid both need isolating on separate wards in already stretched hospitals, staff absent with covid. Sorry 3 issues bed blocking because of staff shortages in community care, either from lack of recruitment or staff off with covid.
Some of those are long term issues, or other problems (brexit). Only one can be managed immediately thats trying to keep covid numbers down as much as possible. The minor restrictions we have now are hopefully just about enough, though think the lack of restrictions in England is a gamble we won’t know if it’s a gamble won for at least two weeks.
 
johnnymarrsbarres said:
I deleted it last Spring and haven’t ‘checked in’ anywhere since they binned off the legal requirement to do so.

Like masks in shops etc it’s all just theatre and lip service now, it all needs sacking off completely.
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At some point the general public have to switch off. Probably when its clear that the epidemic is in steep decline. Thereafter we need to keep testing, and develop new vaccines but that should be the job of scientists and technicians whilst we get back to normal life.
 
blueparrot said:
There are 2 , increasing numbers being admitted either with or for covid both need isolating on separate wards in already stretched hospitals, staff absent with covid. Sorry 3 issues bed blocking because of staff shortages in community care, either from lack of recruitment or staff off with covid.
Some of those are long term issues, or other problems (brexit). Only one can be managed immediately thats trying to keep covid numbers down as much as possible. The minor restrictions we have now are hopefully just about enough, though think the lack of restrictions in England is a gamble we won’t know if it’s a gamble won for at least two weeks.
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So you're saying the staff being off with covid is the main problem. Then why wouldn't you just let it run through the population as quickly as possible with no isolating and condense the problem to a few months.
 
Marvin said:
At some point the general public have to switch off. Probably when its clear that the epidemic is in steep decline. Thereafter we need to keep testing, and develop new vaccines but that should be the job of scientists and technicians whilst we get back to normal life.
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I expect us to start along that path as we get towards spring, and expect this time next year it will be treated like a flu.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
And what's the main issue effecting hospital capacity?
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Hospital capacity is a moving target, it cannot be reduced to a number of beds available. Hospitals need to be staffed and at the moment a doctor with a cold goes to work but a doctor with Omicron cold symptoms has to stay at home for 7 days or 10 until they test negative. There is no way around this.

People in the NHS are also far more likely to test positive because they're tested regularly whether they have symptoms or not. There is always some number in the population who have COVID today but they'll never know it, hospital staff are far more likely to find that out and so more likely to face isolation.

The critical question is should positive people be allowed to come to work? In normal settings maybe however in a hospital setting this is almost certainly a stupid idea because you have people in there who are vulnerable and more likely to get seriously ill from COVID.

The only answer then is to monitor capacity and take action to reduce the underlying number of cases and therefore the number of people coming in with COVID which unfortunately eventually may mean restrictions.
 
johnnymarrsbarres said:
At this stage the only people we are ‘protecting’ are those who are both vulnerable AND chosen not to have a vaccine.

Just refuse to treat them and let the thick wankers die, that’ll free up the burden on the NHS and clean up the gene pool a bit.

It’s really not hard.
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The NHS will never refuse to treat someone based on what medicine they’ve taken or not, or how they live their lives, it’s just not going to happen and isn’t really worth discussing much further.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
So you're saying the staff being off with covid is the main problem. Then why wouldn't you just let it run through the population as quickly as possible with no isolating and condense the problem to a few months.
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We are. We just can’t afford a full flood the NHS isn’t equiped for it, it should be but it isn’t so we deal with what we have.
With restrictions as we have I think we’ll be out of it by end of Feb at the latest. I think if we did nothing at all we would see some hospitals if not many in real trouble, not least though unmanageable under staffing, it would be patients with other conditions suffering most from that.
 
blueparrot said:
I expect us to start along that path as we get towards spring, and expect this time next year it will be treated like a flu.
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I am wary of more variants but that apart it is only a matter of timing now. At what point do we call this off?
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
Not really. Weeks ago it was reported that 95% of users had deleted it. Who actually checks in anywhere either currently?

People will be choosing to isolate or not if they know they have been in contact with someone with Covid. I suspect many won't bother if they don't have any symptoms.
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I deleted it the day I was pinged in my house from next door after isolating for 10 days in July after catching Covid from my partners son.
Yes I know they adjusted the algorithm but it will be just as bad now sue to the sheer number of cases. Walk anywhere and you will be pinged.
 
blueparrot said:
We are. We just can’t afford a full flood the NHS isn’t equiped for it, it should be but it isn’t so we deal with what we have.
With restrictions as we have I think we’ll be out of it by end of Feb at the latest. I think if we did nothing at all we would see some hospitals if not many in real trouble, not least though unmanageable under staffing, it would be patients with other conditions suffering most from that.
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The military are on standby as I understand it to act as orderlies if required
 
Octavian said:
The NHS will never refuse to treat someone based on what medicine they’ve taken or not, or how they live their lives, it’s just not going to happen and isn’t really worth discussing much further.
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They do though discharge people for whom they feel they can do no more. Hard for those families who see those so called bed blockers die within days knowing that had they stayed in hospital they'd have been alive for a little while longer.
 
BlueAnorak said:
I deleted it the day I was pinged in my house from next door after isolating for 10 days in July after catching Covid from my partners son.
Yes I know they adjusted the algorithm but it will be just as bad now sue to the sheer number of cases. Walk anywhere and you will be pinged.
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My brother until late last year was at uni near London. His house was near Heathrow so he always flew back up here to visit instead of going all the way into central London for the train from Euston.

He got pinged at Heathrow every single time (must be 3+ times) and never once caught COVID.
 
blueparrot said:
There are 2 , increasing numbers being admitted either with or for covid both need isolating on separate wards in already stretched hospitals, staff absent with covid. Sorry 3 issues bed blocking because of staff shortages in community care, either from lack of recruitment or staff off with covid.
Some of those are long term issues, or other problems (brexit). Only one can be managed immediately thats trying to keep covid numbers down as much as possible. The minor restrictions we have now are hopefully just about enough, though think the lack of restrictions in England is a gamble we won’t know if it’s a gamble won for at least two weeks.
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We could also not sack care home workers who haven’t been jabbed as well. Mind you, less than 4 months and we’re going to do it to front line NHS workers.
Should see the whole lot privatised within the decade….
 
blueparrot said:
There are 2 , increasing numbers being admitted either with or for covid both need isolating on separate wards in already stretched hospitals, staff absent with covid. Sorry 3 issues bed blocking because of staff shortages in community care, either from lack of recruitment or staff off with covid.
Some of those are long term issues, or other problems (brexit). Only one can be managed immediately thats trying to keep covid numbers down as much as possible. The minor restrictions we have now are hopefully just about enough, though think the lack of restrictions in England is a gamble we won’t know if it’s a gamble won for at least two weeks.
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Not regularly mentioned but imo, pertinent, is the fact that when discussing protecting the NHS, many seem to focus on the physical infrastructure and not the human side of things.

For two years and without any respite, the staff have been dealing with this full on 24/7 and they have witnessed some harrowing events. They are not robots and feel stress like everyone else.
 
mosssideblue said:
Not regularly mentioned but imo, pertinent, is the fact that when discussing protecting the NHS, many seem to focus on the physical infrastructure and not the human side of things.

For two years and without any respite, the staff have been dealing with this full on 24/7 and they have witnessed some harrowing events. They are not robots and feel stress like everyone else.
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This is true.
My daughter has PTSD as a result of so many deaths as do many others who work with her
But for that reason alone, the worst thing we can do is drag it out.
 
blueparrot said:
We are. We just can’t afford a full flood the NHS isn’t equiped for it, it should be but it isn’t so we deal with what we have.
With restrictions as we have I think we’ll be out of it by end of Feb at the latest. I think if we did nothing at all we would see some hospitals if not many in real trouble, not least though unmanageable under staffing, it would be patients with other conditions suffering most from that.
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flood the NHS with what exactly? real trouble with what exactly
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
We could also not sack care home workers who haven’t been jabbed as well. Mind you, less than 4 months and we’re going to do it to front line NHS workers.
Should see the whole lot privatised within the decade….
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Many, many of them will have had covid and have a very robust immunity, so this decision is insane. I can't see it happening tbh.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
We could also not sack care home workers who haven’t been jabbed as well. Mind you, less than 4 months and we’re going to do it to front line NHS workers.
Should see the whole lot privatised within the decade….
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Hell of a stretch that to say that binning off the selfish anti-vax fuck ends is a slippery slope to privatisation. And fwiw, leftists have been claiming the NHS would be privatised for the past 60 years and despite no socialist government since the 70’s, it’s still yet to happen to cry wolf elsewhere.
 
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