Neil Young demands Spotify remove his music.

pluto said:
Still playing on my Spotify thankfully, not off yet then
Never heard of the other guy
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Took my dog in to the vets for his regular worming yesterday. I think you left your own prescription on the desk, mate.

Do you want me to post it on to you? :)
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Antivaxxers usually have poor reading comprehension don't they...

Stop being such a cliche.

Fringe as in fringe platforms.

Trump wasn't on the fringes either, but how is his alternative platform going?

Without a megaplatform like Youtube or spotify the meathead has no hope of getting even a quarter of the views/listens.
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I don’t know do they ?

but he has got a mega platform on Spotify ?
gets higher figures than CNN I think
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
He has that right, absolutely. But it still concerns me that he thinks he has the right to dictate how and what other consume. Because it's potentially a short step from there to things like book burning. Young specifically asked Spotify to choose between him and Rogan and that's wrong in my view.

Joni Mitchell took a more measured approach, in which she avoided the 'him or me' scenario but referred to the open letter written by a large group of scientists and medical people. Open Letter

In its final paragraph, that says "We, the undersigned doctors, nurses, scientists, and educators thus call on Spotify to immediately establish a clear and public policy to moderate misinformation on its platform." That's a much more nuanced approach, requesting them to moderate any misinformation, an approach I 100% agree with. Spotify do have a moderation policy; it's not a free-for-all and I think they probably got that Malone episode wrong. That's not to say they should censor it completely but should make it clear, as Facebook and Twitter did with Trump, that's it's a very contentious view that appears to be unsupported by evidence.

Rogan himself has claimed he's not anti-vax but he believes that the young and healthy don't need the vaccine https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56948665 Note that he explicitly says this: "I'm not a doctor," he said. "I'm not a respected source of information, even for me."

I'm a great believer in critical thinking, where people review ALL the available data or opinions then come to their own view. I don't agree with the view that "He's wrong, and because he's wrong, while there's an opportunity to listen to him (whether you want to or not) you can't listen to me."
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Where did Neil Young say, "I have the right to dictate how and what others consume"?

You can argue the maturity, intelligence or impact of "I'm taking my ball and going home", but he has the right to that, so do you, so do I, so does everyone, and to argue that you shouldn't/can't exercise it is disingenuous. There's nothing to argue about -- unless you believe he shouldn't have that right, which you don't.

He's not censoring anyone, or telling anyone what they can and cannot listen to. He doesn't want to share a platform with Rogan. That's it and that's all.
 
bluemc1 said:
I don’t know do they ?

but he has got a mega platform on Spotify ?
gets higher figures than CNN I think
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What's the relevance of CNN?

Doesn't that prove NY's point?

Meathead ex cage fighter/ failed 3rd rate comedian spreading misinformation for entertainment purposes on 4hr podcasts gets higher figures than fact based news with journalistic standards?

Not sure why you might think I watch an American subscription based news channel.

Yeah he does have a megaplatform. Why can't he fuck off and form his own if he is that popular?

I can't watch Icke and Jones for comedy value anymore, why should your misinformative entertainment be protected?
 
Fode N The Hole said:
I can't watch Alex Jones Infowars or David Icke for comedy value on YouTube anymore.

www.bbc.com

Coronavirus: David Icke's channel deleted by YouTube

The platform says Mr Icke repeatedly violated its policies by posting misleading videos about Covid-19.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Why is Rogan a special case?

Because he makes a shit tonne of money and generates lots of traffic?

Rogan can continue to exist, but in the fringes with the other confirmed lunatics.
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Didn't realise all those were banned tbh. Unless it's inciting hatred/violence or something terrible like that then I actually don't think anything should be banned. I actually think banning things just because they are wrong, misguided or a bit stupid is weird. If people are so easily and deeply upset then they should exercise their own right to make a podcast or video putting (their) correct view. Flat earthers are wrong and stupid (imho) but I don't think they should be de-platformed.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Didn't realise all those were banned tbh. Unless it's inciting hatred/violence or something terrible like that then I actually don't think anything should be banned. I actually think banning things just because they are wrong, misguided or a bit stupid is weird. If people are so easily and deeply upset then they should exercise their own right to make a podcast or video putting (their) correct view. Flat earthers are wrong and stupid (imho) but I don't think they should be de-platformed.
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And I believe the platform owners have the right to determine the content they provide the pipeline for. Just like newspapers have done for centuries. But irresponsibility in/unfiltered/lack of editing and breadth of topic makes more money in non-monopolistic scenarios in a connected world, until enough users complain.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Didn't realise all those were banned tbh. Unless it's inciting hatred/violence or something terrible like that then I actually don't think anything should be banned. I actually think banning things just because they are wrong, misguided or a bit stupid is weird. If people are so easily and deeply upset then they should exercise their own right to make a podcast or video putting (their) correct view. Flat earthers are wrong and stupid (imho) but I don't think they should be de-platformed.
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Except it is a bit more serious than that isn't it.

Icke was on that platform for years and wasn't banned until he started endangering public health with covid-19 misinformation. It wasn't the nonsense that was the issue but the harm to public health.

www.theverge.com

YouTube deletes Alex Jones’ channel for violating its community guidelines

The channel had more than 2.4 million subscribers
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

Alex Jones was only banned from platforms when his content breached community guidelines on hate speech and violent content.

Flat earthers are idiots but they don't usually endanger public health.

Do you think people susceptible to Joe Rogan's misinformation will be won over by facts and logic or will remain captive to the emotional bullshit arguments and the latest alternative medical fads?
 
Fode N The Hole said:
What's the relevance of CNN?

Doesn't that prove NY's point?

Meathead ex cage fighter/ failed 3rd rate comedian spreading misinformation for entertainment purposes on 4hr podcasts gets higher figures than fact based news with journalistic standards?

Not sure why you might think I watch an American subscription based news channel.

Yeah he does have a megaplatform. Why can't he fuck off and form his own if he is that popular?

I can't watch Icke and Jones for comedy value anymore, why should your misinformative entertainment be protected?
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have you tried Camomile?
 
bluemc1 said:
I don’t know do they ?

but he has got a mega platform on Spotify ?
gets higher figures than CNN I think
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Online content can't really be compared to traditional news networks, which even in TV terms get fairly low figures. If something can only be watched at a particular time (and in many cases these figures only measure a single country) then that's different to content that can be accessed at the viewers' convenience. Yes, Joe Rogan gets 11 million listens (worldwide) and CNN gets just over 1 million viewers (for their top programme only in the US), but CNN got 717 million hits on their website last month.

For comparison, Mr Beast is the most popular Youtuber. He averages between 50 and 100 million views per video. His fourth most recent video did 210 million views, and yet your average man on the street couldn't pick him out of a lineup. But then one thing that Rogan has in his favour is watch time, which is what Youtube uses for determining revenue nowadays because you can fit more ads in. That's why views are kinda bollocks. Particularly for something that's 3 or 4 hours long. If I listen to that in 3 installments, that could be 3 views. If I go back to listen to a bit I want to remember, that's another view. There's a reason that CNN is a multi-billion dollar media empire and the biggest podcasters and youtubers in the world are just fairly rich.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Except it is a bit more serious than that isn't it.

Icke was on that platform for years and wasn't banned until he started endangering public health with covid-19 misinformation. It wasn't the nonsense that was the issue but the harm to public health.

www.theverge.com

YouTube deletes Alex Jones’ channel for violating its community guidelines

The channel had more than 2.4 million subscribers
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

Alex Jones was only banned from platforms when his content breached community guidelines on hate speech and violent content.

Flat earthers are idiots but they don't usually endanger public health.

Do you think people susceptible to Joe Rogan's misinformation will be won over by facts and logic or will remain captive to the emotional bullshit arguments and the latest alternative medical fads?
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To answer your question, I actually think the anti Vax conspirasists vulnerable to this mis information will likely see bans like this as evidence that big pharma, the govt, the freemasons or whoever they think is behind the vaccine are indeed involved in mass conspiracy. You can't censor or indeed vaccinate your way out of stupid.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Where did Neil Young say, "I have the right to dictate how and what others consume"?

You can argue the maturity, intelligence or impact of "I'm taking my ball and going home", but he has the right to that, so do you, so do I, so does everyone, and to argue that you shouldn't/can't exercise it is disingenuous. There's nothing to argue about -- unless you believe he shouldn't have that right, which you don't.

He's not censoring anyone, or telling anyone what they can and cannot listen to. He doesn't want to share a platform with Rogan. That's it and that's all.
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These were his exact words - ‘They can have Rogan or Young. Not both,’

It's that specific statement that I'm extremely uncomfortable with.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
These were his exact words - ‘They can have Rogan or Young. Not both,’

It's that specific statement that I'm extremely uncomfortable with.
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Couldn't agree more. Cancel culture again. I hope Spotify just say 'crack on lad, you're not censuring us'.

It's getting beyond a joke all this bollocks.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
These were his exact words - ‘They can have Rogan or Young. Not both,’

It's that specific statement that I'm extremely uncomfortable with.
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Absolutely his right to say and do that as you specifically said. You’re uncomfortable with a human being exercising a right?

He’s not saying YOU (i.e. you and me), he’s saying THEY (Spotify).

Spotify is not the be-all and end-all monopolistic channel of content distribution.

Nor is Facebook, Twitter or any other pipe.
 
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