Russian invasion of Ukraine

SWP's back said:
A-fucking-men.

It’s literally bonkers to say it’s the USA’s fault that Russia have stuck 350k troops on its neighbours doorstep. A neighbour to which it’s already annexed a huge area of land and a neighbour to which Putin wrote a 7,000 word essay last year on its history and how it should be ruled by whoever rules Russia.

But yeah, it’s CNN and Biden..,

Want to avoid whatever CNN are saying? It’s easy, don’t watch them. They don’t create policy. They certainly don’t make Putin mobilise his army.
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A bizarre thing….
 
Yeah the pro-russian sentiment in here sometimes is fucking weird. You don't have to love america but you also don't have to love Russia either.

This is almost entirely Putin's fault. This entire situation, it only begins with Ukraine they want NATO to go back to like 1997 levels where all the ex Soviet states weren't in NATO.. I wonder why he would want that?

And for all those suggesting Putin never planned to do anything and he is just "playing the US" can you please explain why they have built field hospitals, blood banks, and mass graves? Just for exercises? Where's the pullback huh?
 
Chevelle said:
Yeah the pro-russian sentiment in here sometimes is fucking weird. You don't have to love america but you also don't have to love Russia either.

This is almost entirely Putin's fault. This entire situation, it only begins with Ukraine they want NATO to go back to like 1997 levels where all the ex Soviet states weren't in NATO.. I wonder why he would want that?

And for all those suggesting Putin never planned to do anything and he is just "playing the US" can you please explain why they have built field hospitals, blood banks, and mass graves? Just for exercises? Where's the pullback huh?
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It was the same when the Russians tried to murder a UK protected Russian citizen here, a lot on here said it was probably our intelligence services who did it. Later evidence proved the cause was military grade Novichok brought in and planted by Russian agents who just so happened to be on a sightseeing trip to Salisbury. We even had the lunatic ex-leader of the opposition saying it.

Had this ex-leader got into power then his home secretary Diane Abbot would of been in charge of counter-terrorism, our security and she would be directing the intelligence services. This is someone who said earlier this week that the Ukraine issue was all the fault of the UK/US.

These are people who claim to stand for peace, they'll protest and blame the UK for war mongering but they'll happily turn a blind eye to obvious Russian or Chinese aggression. If it had been the Saudis, Israelis or someone else doing this then there'd be protest marches all over London but because its Russia going up against the west they aren't arsed.
 
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mat said:
It's not.

US has some new toys they want to try out in the battlefield. If you look closely there's a pattern with recession and them going to war. Looking more hawkish by the day.

CNN rating are down as well hence their full on war stance gaslighting the nation. Yet they have the gall to call RT out for propoganda.
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Not only laughable, but demonstrably false.

Your slip is showing, Komrade.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I'd rather the west had helped them out in the 90s with the fall of the iron curtain. That created a lot of anti-west feeling in Russia and I think that's why their people buy into Putins anti-west stance over the years - That and a lot of propaganda.

But I dont see the point in crippling them or defeating like we did with germany
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Yeah, I’m just being harsh for the sake of it really. In an ideal world we’d include them more in wider-world thinking but Putin is too far gone.
 
urban genie said:
America meddles in central and south american politics on a regular basis, set ups coups, assasination attempts and funds street protests.

And not just decades ago but in the present.

All superpowers meddle in smaller nations.

Russia, china, the US all are at it
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More false equivalency, both quantitatively and qualitatively.
 
Elbow beards said:
Exactly how Hitler spoke about the Jews. Spine chilling.
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It’s what Hitler used to say about Slavic people as well.

Hitler described Slavs as Untermenschen, or sub-human. He viewed Slavs as backwards and unintelligent people who occupied Germanic land that they didn’t deserve to live on so wanted to wipe them from it.

And yet here we have Russians talking about Ukrainians in the same way, when they’re all Eastern Slavs, the same ethnicity.
 
This about sums up the Russian propaganda campaigns and their creation of pretext!




….so, we really had to “defend ourselves!”

 
A cursory glance here suggests that people are finding Twitter content by people they never knew existed, to confirm what they already believe.

Like most conflicts there will be money at front, back and centre. Throw in that Putin, Biden and Johnson need to show how tough they are for domestic consumption and you have the potential for trouble.
 
Those that think that both sides are equally to blame for the current standoff and likely war need to give their heads a wobble.
It's pure naked aggression by Putin. He got away with it in Crimea so he's back for more on a larger scale. The west has been weakened by 4 years of Trump, and most countries are still dealing with the pandemic or its aftermath so this is opportunism by Putin to expand the Russian empire and re-capture the glory days of the Soviet Union. Long term it will be his undoing but in the short term a lot of people are very likely to die so that Putin can make himself a bigger player on the world stage.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Massively. The Russian economy has already been struggling for a while, but after this, if the West get it right, we can cripple them. They are dependent on exporting oil and gas, they have very little variety in their economy other than that. It’s a bloody shame the West can’t ditch all ties to them through this tomorrow but we can cripple them long term.
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Not so sure about that. Debt is only 18% of GDP and Russia is moving its economy to be China centric.
 
west didsblue said:
Those that think that both sides are equally to blame for the current standoff and likely war need to give their heads a wobble.
It's pure naked aggression by Putin. He got away with it in Crimea so he's back for more on a larger scale. The west has been weakened by 4 years of Trump, and most countries are still dealing with the pandemic or its aftermath so this is opportunism by Putin to expand the Russian empire and re-capture the glory days of the Soviet Union. Long term it will be his undoing but in the short term a lot of people are very likely to die so that Putin can make himself a bigger player on the world stage.
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Both groups of the political spectrum are responsible for it. Both (not each and everyone) supported Russian invasion of Syria, and unironically it was the Ukrainians who kept screaming out loud that someone should put a leash on Putin, otherwise he wouldn't just stop there.

It's so Third Reichesque, and I have no doubt in my mind that other than meager support, European powers and USA won't do anything unless it's their sovereignty that gets threatened.

Likewise, China would be worried too just like Stalin was, even though it appears that they are allies but they won't be for too long if Russia decides to make inroads into Central Asia. Pakistani PM is about to visit Russia, Xi would go berserk if they lose their investment there. Uncertain times are ahead.
 
west didsblue said:
Those that think that both sides are equally to blame for the current standoff and likely war need to give their heads a wobble.
It's pure naked aggression by Putin. He got away with it in Crimea so he's back for more on a larger scale. The west has been weakened by 4 years of Trump, and most countries are still dealing with the pandemic or its aftermath so this is opportunism by Putin to expand the Russian empire and re-capture the glory days of the Soviet Union. Long term it will be his undoing but in the short term a lot of people are very likely to die so that Putin can make himself a bigger player on the world stage.
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Don't disagree with your overall point. But got away with it in Crimea.
Crimea is 68% Russian ethnicity.
Probably because it has been part of the Russian empire for a long time. It became part of Russia in 1783 after a battle with the Turks.
 
robbieh said:
Don't disagree with your overall point. But got away with it in Crimea.
Crimea is 68% Russian ethnicity.
Probably because it has been part of the Russian empire for a long time. It became part of Russia in 1783 after a battle with the Turks.
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Yes that’s the main reason he got away with it in Crimea, because much of the population were ethnically Russian meaning opposition to the invasion was from a minority. Although there are a lot of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine, it’s a far smaller proportion of the population, although that proportion has increased in the Russian controlled areas due to a lot of the ethnic Ukrainians moving west away from that area. The only reason that Russia hadn’t already annexed Donetsk and Luhansk is because he wants his proxies running those areas to have a veto on overall Ukrainian foreign policy which would be impossible if they weren’t part of the country anymore. He hasn’t achieved this so there’s another reason he wants to invade Ukraine.
 
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