Russian invasion of Ukraine

When Argentina invaded the Falklands we went to the aid of the English speaking people who lived there albeit half way across the globe.

As I understand it there is a large majority of people in these 2 regions who consider themselves Russian. They have been at War with Ukrainian forces for over 5 years.

Is Putin justified in going to their aid? And if not why not?
 
twosips said:
How do this all end in everyone's opinion? Incredibly disconcerting stuff isn't it...
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Escalating violence in Ukraine, Donbass becomes a warzone for many more years, people talk about the threat of nuclear war but it never actually materalises besides a few close calls, Russia eventually has to back down from international pressure when China eventually abandons them.
 
robbieh said:
When Argentina invaded the Falklands we went to the aid of the English speaking people who lived there albeit half way across the globe.

As I understand it there is a large majority of people in these 2 regions who consider themselves Russian. They have been at War with Ukrainian forces for over 5 years.

Is Putin justified in going to their aid? And if not why not?
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because the "war" war initiated, funded and supported by Russia to give them a reason to annexe the areas, because there was no similar conflict by Argentinian nationals (or people who considered themselves Argentinian), because Ukraine is a sovereign state and the falklands isn't, and all that without even thinking about it. Ridiculous comparison
 
robbieh said:
When Argentina invaded the Falklands we went to the aid of the English speaking people who lived there albeit half way across the globe.

As I understand it there is a large majority of people in these 2 regions who consider themselves Russian. They have been at War with Ukrainian forces for over 5 years.

Is Putin justified in going to their aid? And if not why not?
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That makes no sense.

Argentina invaded UK territory and it was defended. There was almost no support in the Falklands for Argentinian control. Argentina gambled that the UK wouldn't react for some sheep and a base thousands of miles away and were a weaker force than the UK response.

Russia agreed (under 20 years ago) to respect the sovereign borders of Ukraine and is blatantly ignoring that. The people aren't being threatened or invaded, they just live and have lived for a long time in Ukraine. 'Going to their aid' is how propaganda would describe it - the people didn't revolt by themselves, they were supported by a foreign power.
 
grunge said:
Its an EMP hardened plane that the President and his staff will live on while a nuclear war is going on. it will fly around and be refuelled indefinitely, Harder to hit a moving target.

While I dont doubt the bunker under the white house is very hardened is it enough to take multiple very very large nukes that would land on it.
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Hopefully it drops into Manchester then for a quick refuel then a few of us can get on it with them,I'll keep my eyes out for it.
 
robbieh said:
When Argentina invaded the Falklands we went to the aid of the English speaking people who lived there albeit half way across the globe.

As I understand it there is a large majority of people in these 2 regions who consider themselves Russian. They have been at War with Ukrainian forces for over 5 years.

Is Putin justified in going to their aid? And if not why not?
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We went because the Falklands is a British overseas territory and your attempt to equate what we did and what Putin is doing is laughable.
 
robbieh said:
When Argentina invaded the Falklands we went to the aid of the English speaking people who lived there albeit half way across the globe.

As I understand it there is a large majority of people in these 2 regions who consider themselves Russian. They have been at War with Ukrainian forces for over 5 years.

Is Putin justified in going to their aid? And if not why not?
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At the 2001 Ukrainian National Census, the ethnic groups within the Donetsk Oblast were: Ukrainians – 2,744,100 (56.9%), Russians – 1,844,400 (38.2%), Pontic Greeks – 77,500 (1.6%), Belarusians – 44,500 (0.9%), others (2.3%).

In Luhansk it was 58% Ukrainian and 39% Russian.

There may well be a Russian majority now due to Ukrainians fleeing over the last 7 years.

As for the Falklands it was and still is internationally recognised as a sovereign UK territory. The Donbas is anything but sovereign Russian territory.
 
robbieh said:
When Argentina invaded the Falklands we went to the aid of the English speaking people who lived there albeit half way across the globe.

As I understand it there is a large majority of people in these 2 regions who consider themselves Russian. They have been at War with Ukrainian forces for over 5 years.

Is Putin justified in going to their aid? And if not why not?
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Worst wum in years.
 
robbieh said:
When Argentina invaded the Falklands we went to the aid of the English speaking people who lived there albeit half way across the globe.

As I understand it there is a large majority of people in these 2 regions who consider themselves Russian. They have been at War with Ukrainian forces for over 5 years.

Is Putin justified in going to their aid? And if not why not?
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They ain't Ukrainian forces mate,they are Militias,all volunteers.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Only way they stop him is from the inside, there are people within the Russian military that aren’t happy with this action. If Russians start coming back in body bags in large amounts will there be the appetite to expand into Ukraine?
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Only problem I see with that scenario is Putin appears to strike fear into his own political party. I’m not sure anyone will question his decisions.
 
robbieh said:
When Argentina invaded the Falklands we went to the aid of the English speaking people who lived there albeit half way across the globe.

As I understand it there is a large majority of people in these 2 regions who consider themselves Russian. They have been at War with Ukrainian forces for over 5 years.

Is Putin justified in going to their aid? And if not why not?
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Because you are comparing two situations that are not the same.

Politically, geographically and infrastructurally, Donbass is not aligned with Russia, unless you believed Putin's little history lesson yesterday. There's been no "vote" by the people, there's no elected majority government there calling to rejoin Russia. It'd be the same as if a bunch of Man Utd fans here decided to use violence to take over parts of Manchester, declare it the "Republik of Mancunia" and ask Russia to annex them. Would Russia be justified in invading?

Argentina invaded a country (because they also did not recognise the Falklands status as having internal self-governance (edit), but something that 'belonged' to them) that they felt was theirs. The Falklanders did not ask for Argentinian involvement or to be politically aligned to them, by force or otherwise. They chose and continue to choose an association with the UK.

This is a group of violent individuals within a peaceful nation causing disruption and an armed insurrection against their own government under the delusions of forming a great Russian Empire.
 
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MillionMilesAway said:
Minor correction - son of KGB Lebedev is the lord, I think.

The rest though seems pretty clear. The blustering blimp this morning could barely put sentences together this morning, but I'm sure the government will be "very clear" and the sanctions will be "tough". I'll be very surprised if non-govt sources think sanctions are more than cosmetic.
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on the money, cosmetic politician, cosmetic human leading a cosmetic party.
the grease-paint slapped on by the msm.
 
bellbuzzer said:
on the money, cosmetic politician, cosmetic human leading a cosmetic party.
the grease-paint slapped on by the msm.
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Your thoughts on Putin given this thread is about his orders for a Russian invasion of a European sovereign country?
 
Does anyone really care about the Ukrainians? I mean all the bluster about the poor Ukranians etc its quite disingenuous isnt it? (From the governments of the world). We're there to spread Western values right onto the doorstep of Russia. Surely? Or am I going to get called a commie or Putin Sympathizer to stifle any conversation?
 
Blue warrior said:
Only problem I see with that scenario is Putin appears to strike fear into his own political party. I’m not sure anyone will question his decisions.
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They are being held hostage by a delusional, rambling madman who spent a day on the telly rewriting Russian history and pining for the days of the Czars (or the fjords - it would have made as much sense).
 
bellbuzzer said:
on the money, cosmetic politician, cosmetic human leading a cosmetic party.
the grease-paint slapped on by the msm.
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The Tory Party will never take any meaningful action against Putin. They are up to their necks in Russian money ffs. And I don’t just mean the visible donations to the Party.

With this lot it is always about the money.
 
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