Media Thread - 2021/22

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jrb said:
Apparently Liverpool are now the......(wait for it)...... 'Mentality Monsters'.

It didn't take long for their beloved press pack to tag them with another positive title.(even though Liverpool are still behind City in the PL table)

I don't remember City being called that or something similar when City won their last 14 games in a row to pip Liverpool to the title.

And so it begins. Sadly it will only get worse if Liverpool do overtake City and go on to win the title. It will be the biggest and best come back in PL history, and the biggest collapse in PL history. The Scouse loving Hacks are already sharpening their pencils for the headlines 'they want to write'.
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With a bit of luck they'll die when it doesn't happen!
 
jrb said:
Apparently Liverpool are now the......(wait for it)...... 'Mentality Monsters'.

It didn't take long for their beloved press pack to tag them with another positive title.(even though Liverpool are still behind City in the PL table)

I don't remember City being called that or something similar when City won their last 14 games in a row to pip Liverpool to the title.

And so it begins. Sadly it will only get worse if Liverpool do overtake City and go on to win the title. It will be the biggest and best come back in PL history, and the biggest collapse in PL history. The Scouse loving Hacks are already sharpening their pencils for the headlines 'they want to write'.
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They've been calling themselves that for 3 or 4 years now.
 
freshie said:


So there you go - "may do an article"

Yeh right - ofc he's gonna write an article on the responses; that was his MO all along, for the rags and dippers to lap up

Gotta keep those interactions/subscriptions coming eh? (Seeing as that's what the overlords at the NYT demand from their journalists)

Smh
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He’s gone full weirdo.
 
paulchapo said:
The Villa game was a surprise for me and I'm an old hand that was there in the hooligan heydays. It wasn't even one or two knobheads it seemed to be almost all of them. There was no chance of chatting to them or mixing as to do so would have meant fighting. A very toxic day.
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Yes and interesting to contrast with the Sunderland cup final 5 years earlier. The experience and banter with the Mackems was far better
It seems there is a causal link that as City get more success so the hatred and media shite against us gets worse.
 
projectriver said:
Interesting - I hadn't seen that. I'm not really sure how lawyers could disagree too vehemently not just because it transpired to be correct but because it was based on what City had actually argued at CAS 1 and basic analysis with sourced references. As such, it was never "definitely wrong." Anyway, there you go.
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Why accept the facts from someone with expertise in such matters when you can spin your own yarn?
 
meldrew said:
Whatever you do, do not put sky sports news on right now. Apparently we have dropped a 14 point lead and Liverpools front 5 are the saviours of football.
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Ha ha utter bollocks. I'm sure the largest actual lead without games in hand was eight points. I know it's not going to happen but it would be wonderful if Leeds pulled off a miracle tonight, that would shut them up for a few days
 
petrusha said:
As The Athletic marketed itself as a kind of superior online publication, I found Sam's handling, as its MCFC correspondent, of the whole UEFA ban and CAS case deeply disappointing. I can understand that he doesn't understand the financial and legal issues involved as he's a sports journalist and there's no shame in that. However, while no one else in the media (at least that I saw) ever sought to address the case from a City perspective, Sam never did, either, and in his position he was the one person who IMO should have.

At a minimum, the following are questions he should have been asking and should have written pieces seeking to address:

1. If everyone else is so sure that City are guilty, why has City's public line always been so implacably sanguine in terms of the club prevailing before a neutral body? If you remember Soriano's conversation with Chris Bailey on the club's official website, he went way beyond the generalised positive noises that parties to litigation often come out with regarding their cases - he was utterly unequivocal. That would be completely senseless if he simply had a no-hope case, so what reasons might he have to think he could win?

2. If the allegations against City were true, the necessary corollary would be that various officers and employees within the club would have committed fraudulent conduct conforming to the definition of various serious criminal offences for which the penalty can be several years of imprisonment. Is it really likely that people such as Khaldoon and Soriano would have taken that kind of risk?

And he never addressed those in print. It seems most likely to me that it didn't even occur to him to ask them. Well, if you're writing for an outlet that asks me to pay money I work hard to earn so that I can read your stuff, then I'm afraid it's not fucking good enough.

As I said earlier, I do get that he isn't an expert in finance or law, so he'll look for help in forming any analysis he chooses to print. No problem there. But I'm sure I'm not the only person who remembers him trumpeting one day on Twitter how he had a WhatsApp chat lined up with Delaney and other likeminded journalists to learn about the topic. That he did this but didn't reach out to someone like Stefan shows that his judgement here is absolutely fucking wretched.

In terms of his output more generally, he does produce some decent stuff, especially on tactics. (I'm now in my third year of subscribing to The Athletic, and they've retained me because I arrived on a promotional offer and when I twice unsubscribed, they offered me another year for buttons. It just about remains worth it, but largely because I consume almost entirely content that isn't about the big Premier League clubs.)

However, it irks me that, where other major clubs have more than one correspondent, Sam is all there is for City fans. He does actually generate some worthwhile stuff, but there's always a detachment in it. I don't want embarrassing propagandist bullshit along the lines of James Pearce writing about the cult, but I sometimes want to read articles from someone who I really feel gets the club and its fans. Sam totally doesn't, IMO, and that's a big disappointment for me in terms of The Athletic's coverage of our club.



Just seen this. For me, the thing about allegations of 'whataboutery' is that they're a go-to resource for obnoxious hypocrites, who sling them around when seeking to shut down the exposure of their venal double standards.
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While Lee is no legal expert, he had access to lawyers. Two things struck me about his coverage and that of his colleagues. One was the point you made about the seriousness of submitting false accounts, the other concerns the emails.
1. A first year student of Evidence would have spotted that the emails were evidence of conversations not of later actions. Yet every journo treated them as evidence of alleged substantial action. Did not one journo get proper advice or did they all ignore it for the sake of a narrative? Even Martin Samuel fell into this trap.
2. None of the journos had actually seen the emails. What they saw was Speigel's version of them. Did none of them question the veracity of what Speigel was printing? Turns out that Speigel manipulated the emails for effect: e.g. ramming two together and presenting them as one; putting emails exchanged months or even years apart next to each other and pretending they were contemporary action and reaction.
Note: neither UEFA, nor any of the hateful eight have ever seen those emails!
I am not being wise after the event, I posted these points at the time; if an idiot like me could spot this from afar why could not the journos?
 
I think I have just realized what it is that these clubs are afraid of. They are afraid of losing an entire generation of fans. It's the only reason I can come up with as to why they are using these journos/twitter folk as mouthpieces.
 
freshie said:


So there you go - "may do an article"

Yeh right - ofc he's gonna write an article on the responses; that was his MO all along, for the rags and dippers to lap up

Gotta keep those interactions/subscriptions coming eh? (Seeing as that's what the overlords at the NYT demand from their journalists)

Smh
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Dare I say he is being a twat again?

Seems to be a regular thing for him now, a wolf in sheep's clothing or rags if you want.
 
As other people have said, after the pattern emerging this week. I wonder if this seemingly organised push back against our fanbase, is actually a thinly veiled ploy. To allow them more room for even more sustained, clear and obvious attacks against Manchester City, in the coming months. Maybe it will be even more blatant than we've already witnessed, it's almost like they are pre-empting the complaints, that they know they are going to get, beforehand. Maybe not though... We'll see.

At the very least, you can sense the frustration, that City fans have the free speech to be able to point out their bias, double standards, misinformation, lies and manipulation. "Let us spread our propaganda in peace, you militant bastards!". Yet they still have the nerve to use words like militant. To generalise a whole fanbase, while complaining about City fans generalising the UK sports media(an all encompassing term, because the bias is present in pretty much all sectors). Their hypocrisy has no limits.

Weirdly, Sam Lee has a problem with PrestwichBlue referencing a mainstream press journalist, likening the City fanbase to sewer rats. All for defending their club during a trial by media, where the press left no room for anything but a guilty verdict by UEFA and later CAS.
 
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HelloCity said:
I unsubscribed from the Athletic after these articles. Obviously I’m paranoid and militant.
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This story particularly annoyed me at the time. City's "arrogance" consisted defending themselves saying a neutral court would clear us.
Kay showed here that he had made up his mind well in advance. Hints of racism here.
 
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