Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Coatigan]

Yep it’s a heavy topic this at times and a tad depressing.

I've been considering doing the unthinkable and venturing onto the matchday thread later today, for some lighthearted relief and positivity.

 

[andyhinch]

Jesus Christ, you think that’s a revelatory take? Everyone over 15 years old knows this.

This perfectly sums up Brands new niche, thinking that “everyone’s a baddie” is an enlightened opinion. It’s actually the one viewpoint that’s more simplistic and uninformed than “goodies and baddies”.

I’m not sure he’s over 15 if he looks to Brand for insight.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

I’ve been in this thread almost non stop, way too much in fact, so I know this is not true.

Theres been consistent calls for days now to send Nato troops and machinery in.

 

[I'm Blue]

Only logged on to see if we’d been awarded the champions league yet..

 

[Bazzmand Show]

I've been considering doing the unthinkable and venturing onto the matchday thread later today, for some lighthearted relief and positivity.

Genuinely forgot we were playing today, nice change of pace.

 

[MadchesterCity]

I wear one of these every time I go on a plane…

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In red?

 

[Blue and true]

Poland are refusing to play Russia in the world cup playoff next month

These kind of actions are important in this. In isolation they may seem like token gestures, but if they continue then together the discontent in Russia will reach powder keg pressure. The CL final, F1, Eurovision. Innocent Russians are becomimg pariahs in the global community; which, we can only hope, will lead to irresistible levels of protest.

 

[Manchester33]

I've been considering doing the unthinkable and venturing onto the matchday thread later today, for some lighthearted relief and positivity.

I feel really disinterested in football today. Huge game for our title campaign, but all I can think about is how horrible life must be for so many in Ukraine right now.

 

[domalino]

Theres been consistent calls for days now to send Nato troops and machinery in.

Oh I see, you’ve deliberately conflated supporting Ukraine with “destroying Russia”.

Exactly the kind of dishonest bullshit I should have expected.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Why don’t you explain how NATO policy lead to this war? It’s a Russian propaganda line, but they don’t actually expand on it, so let’s see if you can actually come up with reasoning that doesn’t fall apart immediately.

Rather than me explain I suggest you read a bit of the chap I was quoting. I'm not sure Stephen Walt's position as a political science professor at Harvard qualifies him as unreasoned or a Russian propagandist.
If it does though, I'd be delighted to read one of the books you have written on the subject for a bit of 'reasoning that doesn't fall apart immediately'. Can't wait.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Oh I see, you’ve deliberately conflated supporting Ukraine with “destroying Russia”.

Exactly the kind of dishonest bullshit I should have expected.

No, I'm saying sending troops in from other parts of the world and getting involved in this conflict makes the situation significantly worse.

 

[Manchester33]

These kind of actions are important in this. In isolation they may seem like token gestures, but if they continue then together the discontent in Russia will reach powder keg pressure. The CL final, F1, Eurovision. Innocent Russians are becomimg pariahs in the global community; which, we can only hope, will lead to irresistible levels of protest.

They'd still get more votes than the UK if they entered.

 

[robbieh]

Based on some of the posts over the last few days here I don't see that.

'We need to double down on military spending'

'We need to send all the armies in to destroy Russia'

We can all read, watch and listen to get ourselves better acquainted with what's going on in Ukraine, or for that matter any other geopolitical crisis.
And 2 people getting exactly the same information will process it differently.
Some people like myself I'll admit are by nature sceptics, contrarían at times. Not saying that's good by the way. Others want to believe in something, they dislike uncertainty. The church provided that for many years, but as not many people buy that anymore, a lot of people have turned to certainties like king and country. Not saying that is bad.
We are what we are and while we think we are independent actors, in thought and deed, we are not as free as we'd like to think. And just for clarity I definitely include myself in that.

 

[Metal Biker]

You joking?

That's literally been a bulk of a lot of the posts.

Examples?

I mean if they've been the "bulk of the posts" you should have no trouble in finding one for others to deliberate over.

 

[domalino]

Rather than me explain I suggest you read a bit of the chap I was quoting. I'm not sure Stephen Walt's position as a political science professor at Harvard qualifies him as unreasoned or a Russian propagandist.
If it does though, I'd be delighted to read one of the books you have written on the subject for a bit of 'reasoning that doesn't fall apart immediately'. Can't wait.

So that would be a no then, you can’t back it up.

 

[SWP's back]

You better have thick skin, that’s what my stance is and have been called all sorts!

Rightly so you crank.

 

[MadchesterCity]

The news this morning talking about Russian bombs designed to suck the oxygen out of the atmosphere, and should things not go well for Putin, he might resort to them.
At what point will someone in Europe say fuck it, were on our way to help.

Russian scum

 

[BigJoe#1]

They'd still get more votes than the UK if they entered.

They will probably outperform the UK even though they won't be entered.

 

[Len Rum]

When are we going to drop visa requirements and allow asylum for Ukranian refugees?

 

[SWP's back]

So that would be a no then, you can’t back it up.

Course he can’t but he did unsuccessfully try an argument to authority.

Wish there was a separate thread where he and the other two muppets could just chat bollocks and Putin propaganda to each other and leave the rest of us in peace.