Russian invasion of Ukraine

bobmcfc said:
Doesn't always work though. Even if you share the same ideals, the desire to be the one in charge can be strong. Someone always thinks they can do it better than you and if they see any weakness in you then you are vulnerable
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Dictatorships always fail, without question, if there is one man in charge and ruling.
 
Octavian said:
The same Galloway who tweeted:

“Y’all said #Russia was about to invade #Ukraine. I told you it wasn’t. You were wrong. I was right. Again. Show some bloody humility. Especially if they’re not even paying you to act like an idiot.”
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His Twitter feed is insane at the moment
 
metalblue said:
Warheads and delivery are two different things. 6000+ warheads, most are in storage but a chunk are also tactical nukes mate. There are some studies on causality rates but honestly I don’t want to find out if the are accurate or not. I think I read they have a 90% confidence level so actuals might be a lot worse. US also have 400 or so ICBMs. I think Russian warheads are slightly more bangy though.

Back in the 80s the world had about 60,000 warheads facing each other and I think that influences our thought process of mutual destruction, nuclear winter and apocalyptic outcomes - it’s not these days but it’s pretty dire so best we just keep them for knocking out an asteroid and all kiss and make up.
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On the other hand, the scientific studies that took place at around the time of the Threads broadcast and similar indicated that it would take less than 1% of the global stockpile to generate a devastating nuclear winter. If the Russians have only 10% of the arsenal they possessed in the 80s it still wouldn't take a huge proportion to end life as we know it in the northern hemisphere.

Which is possibly the safest guarantee, because even a widescale nuclear exchange limited to Europe would also have a devastating effect on China. They might well have had a word on that front.
 
Protein Junkie said:
The Russians have now apparently blamed the words of Liz Truss for issuing the heightened state of nuclear readiness.
I am not in any way trying to politicise but If this is indeed true then surely there’s an opportunity to de-escalate?
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The Russian government will try to blame anyone and everyone for this mess but it's nobody elses but their own. They invaded a sovereign state with the intention of eradicating it, something that hasn't happened in Europe since world war 2, then as a war tactic raised their nuclear readiness without provocation.

I can't stand Liz Truss, I can't stand Boris Johnson and I can't stand this Tory government but Ukraine being invaded and Russia raising it's nuclear readiness isn't on them.
 
Northblue said:
His Twitter feed is insane at the moment
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There’s a very sinister alliance with the far left and Russia which I can only think is born out of some nostalgia because that’s where the motherland of the Soviet Union originated and they hate the West.

Chris Williamson is the latest to come out and attack NATO rather than Russia.

It’s bizarre alright as Russia hasn’t been communist since 1991 and I thought they hated imperialism.
 
Oldham Exile said:
But you have - you dominate every thread in the forum with it - why not keep it in the specific threads to do with the torys and Johnson?

Forgive some posters on here for thinking that the events in Ukraine at this time deserve some focus and would prefer not to have to wade through your obsession-driven distractions

This - at this time - I would suggest, is more important to people that visit this thread than your personal campaign
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So we aren’t able to question our response to this?
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Scottyboi said:
Even then the paranoia kicks in and they all begin to distrust eachother, it's easy to fall in line during their good times, soon as shit hits the fan all that trust disappears.
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Also there’s got to be one or two in there with ambitions of their own and see weakness in putin as an opportunity?
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I understand their historical reluctance for militarization, but that doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay your way for the defence of your “largest economy in Europe,” even if it doesn’t mean spending that money on German troops in Germany.
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Don’t disagree, but it was always going to take some existential threat for Germany to shake off ‘the long and dark shadow of its own past’.

And, to an extent, there are European countries who will have a twinge of unease at the idea of a more assertive Germany. History runs deep.

Looking past Ukraine for the moment, Putin, or a more aggressive Russia under different leadership, will fuel European cooperation in the area of defence and the EU will add a defensive competence alongside trade, with Germany and it’s manufacturing strength at the heart of it. I can also see NATO and the EU becoming more interchangeable, with membership of one becoming almost a de facto membership of the other.

Ironically, Brexit will help as the UK has ceased to be an effective brake on greater union. After Covid, the EU started raising funds in its own name for the first time. Now the EU is going to be delivering arms and aircraft for the first time. Events are pushing the EU towards greater cooperation, while at the same time the main opponent of a greater union is absent.

Brexit, Covid and Russia reshaping the European map in the space of 5 years.
 
Some pretty horrendous pictures coming out of Kharkiv right now.

Russian MRL attacking civilian areas. Video of a car with human remains burnt beyond reasonable recognition. A video of a poor lady who's lost her leg.
 
Galloway is Putin's lackey and he is not on his own.

What they all want, whether presenting as 'left-wing' or 'right-wing' is a weakened, divided western Europe, which quarrels amongst itself and is no threat to Russia. Some of them dress this up as 'philosophy' but in geopolitical terms, it means submitting to Putin's/Russia's agenda.

I have a word for such people, and it is not a pretty one.
 
BrianW said:
Galloway is Putin's lackey and he is not on his own.

What they all want, whether presenting as 'left-wing' or 'right-wing' is a weakened, divided western Europe, which quarrels amongst itself and is no threat to Russia. Some of them dress this up as 'philosophy' but in geopolitical terms, it means submitting to Putin's/Russia's agenda.

I have a word for such people, and it is not a pretty one.
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String the cunts up.
 
genuine qu for those with more knowledge in military/war stuff; if a govt actively arm civilians and encourages civilian resistance to an invading force, do they become viable military targets? as in, within law? It's horrible, but i am worried about what Ukraine might be heading for, considering the vexed Russian leadership.
 
Protein Junkie said:
The Russians have now apparently blamed the words of Liz Truss for issuing the heightened state of nuclear readiness.
I am not in any way trying to politicise but If this is indeed true then surely there’s an opportunity to de-escalate?
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It is supposedly both, the 'illegal sanctions' and the 'aggressive statements' by Liz Truss, that poor Putin has no choice but to respond to by raising nuclear alert levels. That was what he himself said.

Before one of the ministers said he wont name names but then said it was her.

Her comment was simply that if he doesnt stop with Ukraine there would be a threat to other bordering countries which are part of NATO and NATO would then be involved.
 
Chris in London said:
On the other hand, the scientific studies that took place at around the time of the Threads broadcast and similar indicated that it would take less than 1% of the global stockpile to generate a devastating nuclear winter. If the Russians have only 10% of the arsenal they possessed in the 80s it still wouldn't take a huge proportion to end life as we know it in the northern hemisphere.

Which is possibly the safest guarantee, because even a widescale nuclear exchange limited to Europe would also have a devastating effect on China. They might well have had a word on that front.
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You've also got to factor in the economics of it all. China won't be doing world trade with half the planet missing. As I've previously said money talks, lots and lots of people stand to lose lots and lots of money.
 
BrianW said:
Galloway is Putin's lackey and he is not on his own.

What they all want, whether presenting as 'left-wing' or 'right-wing' is a weakened, divided western Europe, which quarrels amongst itself and is no threat to Russia. Some of them dress this up as 'philosophy' but in geopolitical terms, it means submitting to Putin's/Russia's agenda.

I have a word for such people, and it is not a pretty one.
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He’s trotting out the line that the Ukrainians are neo Nazis, including their President… who just so happens to be the descendant of Holocaust victims.

He’s got no shame that Rag ****.
 
MCFC1993 said:
The Russian government will try to blame anyone and everyone for this mess but it's nobody elses but their own. They invaded a sovereign state with the intention of eradicating it, something that hasn't happened in Europe since world war 2, then as a war tactic raised their nuclear readiness without provocation.

I can't stand Liz Truss, I can't stand Boris Johnson and I can't stand this Tory government but Ukraine being invaded and Russia raising it's nuclear readiness isn't on them.
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There were peole on here wanking over Liz Truss getting insults off the bully Labrov. I’m not sure what these Bluemooners expected her to do? Russia have been planning this invasion for years
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
So we aren’t able to question our response to this?
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Interesting that while talking to a mate down the pub about this last night and expressing my disgust at that news, he told me that if I had looked a little deeper into the story then it was apparent that the fruit picking was just a way of telling Ukranians how to get into the UK, IE if they put that down when applying they would get straight in no questions asked. I dont know if that is true or not, but I do know my mate is certainly no fan of Johnson or the Torries.
 
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