Russian invasion of Ukraine

marco said:
they were designed to bomb airfields not cities and are illegal,,like the other poster says,they dont give a fuck now or who they upset,this is going to completely get out of controll, at the start of this id have given a 1 out of ten for this to end up with chucking nukes around now i'm afraid its up to a 7
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Marcos crystal ball is saying it's a 7 then I believe it is a 7.
 
marco said:
they were designed to bomb airfields not cities and are illegal,,like the other poster says,they dont give a fuck now or who they upset,this is going to completely get out of controll, at the start of this id have given a 1 out of ten for this to end up with chucking nukes around now i'm afraid its up to a 7
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Agree
 
twosips said:
How fucking wild is it that many of us are just sat going about our day, while checking the internet every ten minutes for updates about a potentially world ending scenario kicking off? Ffs. No wonder I've had a permanent tension headache for a few days.
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If it's any help I find it best to distinguish between words and actions.

Putin can talk nuclear readiness all he likes, but his actions? Four days in he's got a delegation talking with the Ukrainians. Russia has the conventional weaponry, men and machines, to roll over Ukraine, so why hasn't he done it?

Putin is trapped in the past, he assumed, as happened in so many Western European countries in the early years of the 2nd World War, that faced with overwhelming odds, the government of the invaded country would surrender rather than suffer pointless loss of innocent civilian life. That might still happen here, we get stories and images of plucky Ukrainians, but it's hard to distinguish between fact and propaganda, all countries look plucky against the invader right up to the point they aren't, then knownothing armchair warriors thousands of miles from the action call them surrender monkeys.

The only thing one can say with any certainty is this invasion is not turning out as Putin envisaged.

Putin's appeal to the Ukrainian military to oust their government, so that he can set up a cosy client state in Kyev, along the lines of the one he has in Minsk is the real issue, because that plan is in the shitter.

We're in a world of unintended consequences now, Putin wanted a compliant Ukraine on his doorstep, not a devastated resentful nation under occupation. Ukraine is a huge country of 44 million people, not some tiny statelet in Georgia. He can take Ukraine but he'll never hold it to his bosom,

This war might be playing out on the world stage, but it is not a world war. The world might be supporting Ukraine, but not with boots on the ground. Which means that unless there's a palace coup in Moscow, Ukraine will lose. Soon we're going to find out what the nature of that loss is.

As for Russia? In military terms she will win, but it will be a pyrrhic victory, her principal objectives thwarted.

Churchill was referring to loss of life in the 1st World War when he said this, but it is apt in a broader sense to Russia in this vainglorious war....

"Victory has been bought at a price so dear as to be indistinguishable from defeat"
 
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bobmcfc said:
Worse case scenario and he fires off some nukes.

I'm gonna come off as dumb as fuck here but I've never ever had to think about this happening.

Can we stop it ? Shoot it down ? Jam signals. What defences do we have other than hide in a basement (which I don't have)
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There is a small window of opportunity to negate them mid flight, but the problem is a) being ready to do so ( which I'm sure we would be) and b), how many there are.
 
marco said:
they were designed to bomb airfields not cities and are illegal,,like the other poster says,they dont give a fuck now or who they upset,this is going to completely get out of controll, at the start of this id have given a 1 out of ten for this to end up with chucking nukes around now i'm afraid its up to a 7
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Hopefully this turns out the way we want it to and we can put Putin and his generals before the Hague. Wishful thinking I know but somebody has to pay for the innocent lives taken.
 
roy.or.r said:
I am shamed of being an Indian. It's so shitty that our government refused to condemn Russia and did not vote against them in the UN Council.
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You shouldn’t be shamed of being Indian. Whenever our government fucks up it doesn’t make me ashamed to be English. It’s a very select few of cunts being cunts.

The Indian people are greater than your government, just as the Russian people are greater than theirs.
 
The fact that Putin has even sent people to try and negotiate probably indicates that after 4 days things are not going at all well. If they were he wouldn't bother turning up.
 
Octavian said:
The fact that he hasn’t gone for this approach makes me think there’s some level of sanity still there and that’s a good sign.

The nuclear alert stuff is posturing, the coward won’t even let his advisers sit near him because he’s scared of Covid still, he’s not going to be then willing to die in a nuclear attack if he’s scared of getting Covid.
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Is this why? Genuinely? Presumed it was just a power thing, to make him look untouchable/aloof.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Interesting that while talking to a mate down the pub about this last night and expressing my disgust at that news, he told me that if I had looked a little deeper into the story then it was apparent that the fruit picking was just a way of telling Ukranians how to get into the UK, IE if they put that down when applying they would get straight in no questions asked. I dont know if that is true or not, but I do know my mate is certainly no fan of Johnson or the Torries.
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That's the way I read it as well. Sometimes people are so anti tory they don't look at anything they say they just attack it.
For one thing it's winter, there isn't any fruit or crops but if it gets you into the country.....
That said, I think they should be doing far more to get people here.
 
SWP's back said:
That’s the only thing giving me any peace at present.
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Putin has just said they had a plan for the sanctions anyway and Russia will deal with them economically, which sounds reassuring.

A guy from the UN in Geneva has just said there’s no evidence of a physical increase in deployed warheads or any real physical movement, it’s just words at the moment and he’s not too concerned.

Ben Wallace said it’s only a distraction and pure rhetoric, the UN guy was asked to comment and said it’s discomforting they were mentioned at all and he’s taking it more seriously than Wallace but he doesn’t believe Russia will fire one.

Source: BBC News just now.
 
Northblue said:
en.m.wikipedia.org

Foundations of Geopolitics - Wikipedia

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  • The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.[9]
  • Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationisttendencies in American politics".[9]
  • Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.[9]
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Christ I clicked the link and read all the main parts covered. It very much seems like the playbook Putin has used for the last 20 or so years.
 
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