Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Deleted member 77198]

Having a major western leader in regular contact with Putin cant be a bad thing, surely?

People like to have a go at Macron (not saying you are), but the way he said that he wasn't taking any sh*t from non-vaccinated people causing problems for the rest of the French population and now trying to do something about Putin whilst still committing to backing up Ukraine with weapons and aid, you can't really knock him for trying.

Yeah definitely, it’s great what Macron is doing. But it’s Putin who can’t be trusted, he could tell me that it was raining outside and I’d still go out to check before getting an umbrella.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Then we don't support democracy

That's nonsense. Of course we support democracy. Not being prepared to have WW3 over a country which is not even in NATO does not mean we don't support democracy.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It isn't lost though is it, and if they keep holding out the Russian economy is going to hit rock bottom and without new supplies Russia will not be able to make new weapons to continue fighting.

So how do you see this ending? (Assuming a successful outcome to your way of thinking). Seriously, I am intrigued.

Because I cannot see any scenario where Russia pack up and leave and say sorry for the incursion. Can you?

 

[BlueHammer85]

It isn't lost though is it, and if they keep holding out the Russian economy is going to hit rock bottom and without new supplies Russia will not be able to make new weapons to continue fighting.

I worry China can help them out in that department

 

[True_Blue69]

I worry China can help them out in that department

Why would they though? By the sounds of things they don't agree with what's going on any more than the rest of the world.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Taking a photo of a tank in your porch.

You weren’t in, so we left it here…

 

[BimboBob]

How fucking wild is it that many of us are just sat going about our day, while checking the internet every ten minutes for updates about a potentially world ending scenario kicking off? Ffs. No wonder I've had a permanent tension headache for a few days.

World ending?

I'd suggest not checking the Internet every ten minutes and get on with your life you wet blanket.

 

[mosssideblue]

That's nonsense. Of course we support democracy. Not being prepared to have WW3 over a country which is not even in NATO does not mean we don't support democracy.

Thankfully this and other European Governments are not willing to concede defeat as easily as you seem to be

 

[Scottyboi]

So how do you see this ending? (Assuming a successful outcome to your way of thinking). Seriously, I am intrigued.

Because I cannot see any scenario where Russia pack up and leave and say sorry for the incursion. Can you?

No idea, hopefully with Putin being ousted by his own people.

All I know is that 40 million people deserve to be supported by us and not told to surrender and live under that piece of shit just to make us feel safe.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Thankfully this and other European Governments are not willing to concede defeat as easily as you seem to be

I don't think there's any thankfully about it. And BTW, I was not suggesting we should not have supported Ukraine and even that we should stop now. I am merely countering some of the gung-ho attitudes on here with a sense of realism.

 

[dickie davies]

Feels to me that this action (invasion of Ukraine) could well be the end of Putin.

Access to social media is a pain in the ass to your modern dictator. He seems to be struggling to carry the people with him and there are undoubtedly people close to him who are more in touch with reality. They will gain confidence to act against Putin with every act of defiance. This defiance is coming from civilians, military and it seems even some oligarchs.

The world may turn out to be a slightly better place when this is all over, or maybe not. Incredible times.

The Russian public are going to suffer terribly due to the sanctions, so there will be a huge rebuild of their trust required
If someone tried to destroy your life and make it difficult for you to feed your family, how long would it take for you to trust them when they announce that they're now your friend

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Haven’t seen this posted, but the fact that a European leader is in contact with Putin and he is seemingly willing to cooperate seems like a positive.

Yes, the mere fact that he is talking means he wants some kind of cessation. Its good to see Macron doing this.

 

[marco]

they need to go for that convoy, rich pickings and there for the taking,destroy that and its over certainly for a good while,,Get it done Ukraine

 

[Benarbia_is_god]

This is only going to escalate further. Be it the Russians continue to slaughter civilians, and obviously so, they take Kyiv and hoist the Russian flag above, they kill Zelensky and other members of the Ukrainian govt or they step into Nato territory. I just can't see anyway that this de-escalates. If any of the above scenarios occur surely that means the west step in militarily?

I think China are our only hope here. They appear to have Putins ear and he is relying on them for economic bail out.

 

[Chippy_boy]

No idea, hopefully with Putin being ousted by his own people.

All I know is that 40 million people deserve to be supported by us and not told to surrender and live under that piece of shit just to make us feel safe.

Four points mate.

1. Before suggesting a course of action, it's really good to have a plan as to what your are trying to achieve and how realistic it is. Having no idea where you're headed is never a great idea.

2. Downing arms and getting around a negotiation table is not simply surrendering.

3. Whilst the west continues to apply the severest of sanctions, it is not a question of Ukraine having to live under Russian rule. All sorts of compromises could be possible.

4. It's got bugger-all to do with "just to make us feel safe". Perhaps you missed that.

 

[Scottyboi]

Yes, the mere fact that he is talking means he wants some kind of cessation. Its good to see Macron doing this.

Macron mate you're gonna have to blag it tell them I was spiked.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

they need to go for that convoy, rich pickings and there for the taking,destroy that and its over certainly for a good while,,Get it done Ukraine

It's in Belarus......maybe that's why they've not picked it off?

 

[mosssideblue]

I don't think there's any thankfully about it. And BTW, I was not suggesting we should not have supported Ukraine and even that we should stop now. I am merely countering some of the gung-ho attitudes on here with a sense of realism.

There only hung ho to you because they don't support your stance of there is no hope for Ukraine. Giving continued support to Ukraine retain its independence is a min for all democratic counties and they are no matter how perilous it seems

 

[Scottyboi]

Four points mate.

1. Before suggesting a course of action, it's really good to have a plan as to what your are trying to achieve and how realistic it is. Having no idea where you're headed is never a great idea.

2. Downing arms and getting around a negotiation table is not simply surrendering.

3. Whilst the west continues to apply the severest of sanctions, it is not a question of Ukraine having to live under Russion rule. All sorts of compromises could be possible.

4. It's got bugger-all to do with "just to make us feel safe". You seem to have ignored that.

What you on about, I ain't a fucking politician or a military general it's just an opinion on a football forum lmao.

Downing arms right now is them surrending as Putin will move into the capital and any chance of continuing to fight back is gone.

You're scared like everyone is and would rather see Ukraine join Russia than risk your current life being impacted.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

This is only going to escalate further. Be it the Russians continue to slaughter civilians, and obviously so, they take Kyiv and hoist the Russian flag above, they kill Zelensky and other members of the Ukrainian govt or they step into Nato territory. I just can't see anyway that this de-escalates. If any of the above scenarios occur surely that means the west step in militarily?

I think China are our only hope here. They appear to have Putins ear and he is relying on them for economic bail out.

I agree, I suspect he will try and take Kiev or at least surround it, then he will think he can negotiate from a position of some power. At this point we are likely to see a climb down of sorts.