Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a calamitous humanitarian disaster.
He doesn't, the USSR and the Russian empire he romanticises about are completely different entities
I don't think it will happen because he has bitten off more than he can chew with Ukraine, but if Ukraine had gone according to his plan there are a lot of similarities with those two countries. Georgia has two Russian backed separatist areas (Abkhazia and South Ossetia) and Moldova has one (Transnistria). Compared to Ukraine it would be relatively easy, so if Ukraine had gone well for him and the west had not united against him then I have little doubt they would be next. Stalin was from Georgia so I would imagine it is seen as Russian enough for Putin. As I say, after the experience with Ukraine however it goes from now on, I suspect it won't happen.
Honestly I am with you. Through the pandemic and political fuckery over here and all the other things over the past few years I've been a mix of emotions from angry and annoyed to concerned for others but never nervous. The past week has changed that. I don't know why. Everything else just seems trivial.
What the fuck has it got to do with Russia that NATO expands? Do you ever hear Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, or Austria saying they “will not accept” more countries wanting to join NATO?
early 00s, the USA and UK were trying to forge friendly ties with Putin and were even discussing the possibility of Russia joining NATO themselves at one point.
Have you read the link to the open door declaration for Georgia and Ukraine from that article?
It says, “At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO... Allies made clear that they support Georgia's and Ukraine's applications for MAP [Membership Action Plan]”
Georgia and Ukraine applied to join NATO. NATO have not been meddling in their elections, putting NATO puppets in power in their governments, have not bribed or forced or threatened these countries, have not even been the ones to open the discussions.
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It’s what the people of Ukraine want.
Even ethnic Russians in the Donbas region aren’t happy with this invasion
Even Russians in Russia aren’t happy with this invasion
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Anti-war protests held in cities across Russia, 2,000 people arrested
Police detained more than 2,000 people at anti-war protests held in 48 cities across Russia on Sunday, a protest monitoring group said, as people defied the authorities to show their anger over Russia's invasion of Ukraine.www.reuters.com
It’s not NATO’s fault that Russia are frightening their neighbours into wanting to join NATO. That’s solely Russia’s fault.
It’s not NATO’s fault that Russia are paranoid of having NATO on their borders. Especially when that argument doesn’t wash since NATO has bordered the Soviet Union or Russia since it’s inception:
During the Cold War, West Germany, Italy, and Norway bordered the USSR.
After the fall of USSR, Lithuania and Poland joined NATO which border Kaliningrad; and Latvia and Estonia joined NATO which border Russia proper.
NATO has existed and been expanding longer than modern Russia has existed, never mind how long Putin has been in power. Who is he to tell an alliance that’s existed for 51 years longer than he’s been in power that he doesn’t want counties to join them?
Plus if Russia is invading Ukraine - with Putin not even recognising Ukraine’s sovereignty, and thinks the Bolsheviks made up Ukraine and “robbed Russia” of the land where Ukraine stands - it will push Russia into having more borders with NATO. So why’s he moaning about NATO moving into having more borders with Russia?
It’s such a flimsy argument to say that it’s got anything to do with NATO that Russia have invaded. That’s the excuse they’re using for Russian imperialist expansion!
From this side of the pond, all I've seen (approx) is Trump arse lickers disputing what's happening in Ukraine and cheering Putin on for being a tough guy against terrorists...
Flappers only on there. You'll fit in well.
Definitely with you there, what a terrible last few years I’m agonising at how one prick can be a threat to humanity it’s frightening tbh.
Haha
I go onto Fox News from time to time just to see what the Right thinks - and there's a fair amount of pushback in the comments on various articles against pro-Russian commentary. Even Trump has backtracked (somewhat) from his "genius" remark about Putin.
What the fuck has it got to do with Russia that NATO expands? Do you ever hear Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, or Austria saying they “will not accept” more countries wanting to join NATO?
early 00s, the USA and UK were trying to forge friendly ties with Putin and were even discussing the possibility of Russia joining NATO themselves at one point.
Have you read the link to the open door declaration for Georgia and Ukraine from that article?
It says, “At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO... Allies made clear that they support Georgia's and Ukraine's applications for MAP [Membership Action Plan]”
Georgia and Ukraine applied to join NATO. NATO have not been meddling in their elections, putting NATO puppets in power in their governments, have not bribed or forced or threatened these countries, have not even been the ones to open the discussions.
View attachment 37588
It’s what the people of Ukraine want.
Even ethnic Russians in the Donbas region aren’t happy with this invasion
Even Russians in Russia aren’t happy with this invasion
Anti-war protests held in cities across Russia, 2,000 people arrested
Police detained more than 2,000 people at anti-war protests held in 48 cities across Russia on Sunday, a protest monitoring group said, as people defied the authorities to show their anger over Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
It’s not NATO’s fault that Russia are frightening their neighbours into wanting to join NATO. That’s solely Russia’s fault.
It’s not NATO’s fault that Russia are paranoid of having NATO on their borders. Especially when that argument doesn’t wash since NATO has bordered the Soviet Union or Russia since it’s inception:
During the Cold War, West Germany, Italy, and Norway bordered the USSR.
After the fall of USSR, Lithuania and Poland joined NATO which border Kaliningrad; and Latvia and Estonia joined NATO which border Russia proper.
NATO has existed and been expanding longer than modern Russia has existed, never mind how long Putin has been in power. Who is he to tell an alliance that’s existed for 51 years longer than he’s been in power that he doesn’t want counties to join them?
Plus if Russia is invading Ukraine - with Putin not even recognising Ukraine’s sovereignty, and thinks the Bolsheviks made up Ukraine and “robbed Russia” of the land where Ukraine stands - it will push Russia into having more borders with NATO. So why’s he moaning about NATO moving into having more borders with Russia?
It’s such a flimsy argument to say that it’s got anything to do with NATO that Russia have invaded. That’s the excuse they’re using for Russian imperialist expansion!
The Republican party has conveniently forgotten their lord and savior was impeached for withholding military aid from Ukriane and attempting to extort Zelensky who they have been non stop praising.
Honestly? Not letting it get me down one bit and living my life as best I can. Don’t know if it’s because of where I am in Spain but the general consensus seems to be one of sympathy for Ukrainian people and a realisation anything that happens is way beyond our control so crack on with things.
I don’t do Twitter in terms of an account but sometimes search on there if there’s a big event in sport or current affairs and to me it looked like the American reds and blues were just mudslinging at who’s fault it was. What I did notice was barely any on either side supported Putin or Russia in this, which I suppose is something.
Misty, didn’t know you had two accounts ;-)
If Trump was still in it would be over by now. The western response would have been disunited and pathetic, Zelensky would be dead and a puppet government would already be in place. Ukraine wouldn't have had the weaponry to hold them off.