Russian invasion of Ukraine

[The perfect fumble]

Haha brilliant.
Straight after your Thatcher quote.

You're too full of yourself pal.

When something like this happens, there's a rush to control the narrative, the "proper" way to be outraged and if anyone steps outside that construct they're useful idiots or apologists.

It's one of the oldest tricks in the book.

 

[Marklr]

Get them drunk and push them in the Dnieper.

We need to somehow flood the Russian army with some 1990 grade Es.

 

[Octavian]

I'd feel sorry for you if the solution to your problem was beyond reach.

But it isn't.

Why don’t you try and answer a point rather than ad hominem attacks?

Can you explain why you expect Democratic European nations being invaded and the potential for nuclear war to be as newsworthy in Europe as ongoing conflicts in other continents, that have been going on for years?

 

[Blue Mist]

It’s staggering how many people seem to be oblivious or advocating risking that if we go NATO v Russia then we more than likely end up going nuclear and it’s game over for most of us, including the Ukrainians.

It’s shit for Ukraine, but in my opinion risking wiping out the human race and most animals that rely on vegetation isn’t a price worth risking to attempt to put it right. People are advocating risking the lives of ~8 Billion people to save Ukraine. Ukraine will fight and make life / occupation hell for Russia, and they will inevitably withdraw. We can support Ukraine in this effort.

Right. I’m going to carry on watching ‘the day after’. The start of that (radio/tv commentary on the Russia / NATO escalations) are worryingly similar.

Your comment, it's shit for Ukraine but better than a nuclear war is fine except, you do not offer an alternative other than giving him what he wants. Today he wants Ukraine, what if tomorrow its another country, Poland even. When would you decide enough is enough ?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Afternoon, Baldrick

You have to admit, it does sound like a cunning plan.

 

[Marklr]

Your comment, it's shit for Ukraine but better than a nuclear war is fine except, you do not offer an alternative other than giving him what he wants. Today he wants Ukraine, what if tomorrow its another country, Poland even. When would you decide enough is enough ?

The alternatives are not known yet....but we can't commit suicide over it.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Why don’t you try and answer a point rather than ad hominem attacks?

Can you explain why you expect Democratic European nations being invaded and the potential for nuclear war to be as newsworthy in Europe as ongoing conflicts in other continents, that have been going on for years?

You're talking newsworthy, as in the latest thing, on our doorstep etc, etc, in a conversation with yourself or a bit of whataboutery,

What was originally being talked about was the nature of the coverage.

 

[Keith Moncrieff]

We need to somehow flood the Russian army with some 1990 grade Es.

This is what I’ve been thinking! 89 onwards was all about love and having a good time mostly fuelled by MDMA

 

[Blue Mist]

The alternatives are not known yet....but we can't commit suicide over it.

I don't want a nuclear war but I don't think Putin is going to stop any time soon. He already has his puppets in Belarus and elsewhere ready to go.
If he attacks Poland or Moldova the shit will really hit the fan and we will be at war , nuclear or not.

 

[bobmcfc]

I'm sure they are already ' helping ' .

Were is Jack Reacher when we need some throats slitting

 

[AlgarveBlu]

We need to somehow flood the Russian army with some 1990 grade Es.

Doves it is then

 

[Blue Mist]

This is what I’ve been thinking! 89 onwards was all about love and having a good time mostly fuelled by MDMA

So drop an e bomb into a resovioir or 2. Then several helicopters blasting out the Mondays, Apocalypse Now style, then as they are all loved up,

Shoot them.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Whilst the West's response is impressive, we should now focus on letting the Russian people know our fight is with their knobhead president, not them, and that as quickly as sanctions have been imposed, they can be removed, if they remove him.

 

[The blue phantom]

Sky & BBC reporting now how Non Ukrainians are being treated at the Border. Romanian Spokesman defending it against Sarah Jayne on Sky. United Nations now condemned the treatment

"There has been a different treatment (...). There should be absolutely no discrimination between Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians, Europeans and non-Europeans. Everyone is fleeing from the same risks.”

 

[bobmcfc]

So drop an e bomb into a resovioir or 2. Then several helicopters blasting out the Mondays, Apocalypse Now style, then as they are all loved up,

Shoot them.

Wow this is actually a thing lol

 

[Marklr]

Whilst the West's response is impressive, we should now focus on letting the Russian people know our fight is with their knobhead president, not them, and that as quickly as sanctions have been imposed, they can be removed if they remove him.

Who will they believe? Putin will just tell them evil western fake news spreaders have infiltrated Russian internet.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

We need to somehow flood the Russian army with some 1990 grade Es.

Back in 89 I remember sitting around in houses after a long night’s raving and we’d all say that if you sat the world leaders in a room and forced them to take a Dove and talk over their beef, there’d never be a war ever again.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Your comment, it's shit for Ukraine but better than a nuclear war is fine except, you do not offer an alternative other than giving him what he wants. Today he wants Ukraine, what if tomorrow its another country, Poland even. When would you decide enough is enough ?

There's a bit of whataboutery in that question. It's pure speculation that he might ever want to go for e.g. Poland. And to anyone chiming in about his alleged "vision" for a rekindled grand USSR, assuming that is even true, then that may be an aspiration but it does not mean he is hell bent on it, nor that his views and actions might not be moderated by events.

Hard to imagine that the Ukraine situation is going remotely as he planned. And if taking Ukraine is met with this level of resistance and the enormous international reaction, the impact upon his economy, then you can times that by 10x if he went for Poland. He'd be mad to try this again.

If the hugely admirable resistance put up by the Ukrainians, and the significant arms we have provided, and the vast range of sanctions, are to have had any benefit, then IMO it is not that we will have prevented his successful taking of Ukraine. It is that he will think "Fuck, I am not doing THAT again".

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Who will they believe? Putin will just tell them evil western fake news spreaders have infiltrated Russian internet.

Perhaps - but worth ago and the younger people are the ones most likely to rise up anyway.

 

[bobmcfc]

Back in 89 I remember sitting around in houses after a long night’s raving and we’d all say that if you sat the world leaders in a room and forced them to take a Dove and talk over their beef, there’d never be a war ever again.

You'd need them permanently dosed.