Russian invasion of Ukraine

[kaz7]

Absolute bollocks. Questions at the BBC as to why they haven’t come out with this BS sooner

This was in the news when he was expected to invade , it was muted from many sources that he was waiting till the last day was over , neither country care about the para games

 

[BlueAnorak]

The Times seems to take issue with our ‘world leading efforts’.

‘Britain will not be able to sanction Roman Abramovich and other oligarchs for weeks of months - if at all. Foreign Office and National Crime Agency have been unable to prove 'reasonable grounds' for designating oligarchs’ @TheTimes

Carter Ruck etc are a disgrace. And always have been.
You can pass new laws to bypass the serial litigants though.

 

[metalblue]

I’ll buy it for a quid roman, that’s the most you deserve, ****

Fuck me looks like I’m going to have to increase my eBay bid to £2 now :-(

 

[Grassland Blue]

China already own half the world. They're not going to make a choice to reduce the value of what they own by half.

This may be true.
This is why they need to back the Ukraine over Russia.
As Tommy Steele might have sung, "Half a sixpence is better than f'all!"

 

[west didsblue]

I'm putting my tin foil hat on here and say you're not wrong, not to sure about his army yet, time will tell.....

Corrected

 

[BlueAnorak]

as I said previously - the delay to allow the Winter Olympics did them no favours

Its come early. It doesn't normally happen till mid March . The Russians clearly expected it to be all over in a week.
Probably the one benefit in global warming.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

in the current circumstances - is he even allowed to sell it? Can a new owner even be allowed to pay him?

He's somehow employed the American bankers Raine Group to get him a buyer, how that works, I don't know?

Sir Jim Ratcliffe, boss at Ineos, is a Chelsea season-ticket holder and was approached previously, but his partner brother, Bob said at the time: "Why would you expect to be prepared to pay £2bn when the net revenue of the entire Premier League is £5bn and the 20 clubs combined have a net profit of just £500m?"

 

[GaudinoMotors]

He's somehow employed the American bankers Raine Group to get him a buyer, how that works, I don't know?

Sir Jim Ratcliffe, boss at Ineos, is a Chelsea season-ticket holder and was approached previously, but his partner brother, Bob said at the time: "Why would you expect to be prepared to pay £2bn when the net revenue of the entire Premier League is £5bn and the 20 clubs combined have a net profit of just £500m?"

As ever- thanks TH

 

[BringBackSwales]

That **** johnson yesterday in Parliament. Every time labour and the Scottish nationalists, (who by the way have supported Johnson to the hilt) suggested additional sensible sanctions he blanked them and shouted the same thing “we were the first to ban Aeroflot”, completely reverted to bullshit type, if you want to see proper statesmanship johnson then take a look at Ukraine’s leader. Johnson is so weak his bottom lip was going when he was getting bollocked by that politician the other day. Fuck the assets of the London oligarchs NOW johnson you spineless clown, agree with the other parties to bring in the proceeds of crime legislation (sorry don’t know the technical term) NOW not in 18 months

 

[west didsblue]

Have any of the donors (individuals or entities) been sanctioned by other jurisdictions? Genuine question; I’ve not checked. If the answer is yes then I’ll have to concede my point.

I have absolutely no idea and wouldn't know where to start checking. I am expressing opinions when it comes to donors not stating known facts, but my opinions are based on this government's track record of being soft on oligarchs.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Fuck me looks like I’m going to have to increase my eBay bid to £2 now :-(

Lol bid a quid and we can share it

 

[Roy Munson]

Its come early. It doesn't normally happen till mid March . The Russians clearly expected it to be all over in a week.
Probably the one benefit in global warming.

Come on now, fella. You know that's just a myth invented by Russian asset Greta to distract the West.

 

[crazyg]

you're a complete 'putin' ?

Hijo de Putin?

 

[Chippy_boy]

China already own half the world. They're not going to make a choice to reduce the value of what they own by half.

EU GDP? 15.59 trillion USD
US GDP? 22 trillion - roughly

GDP of Russia? $1.7 trillion

(Incidentally, Italy is $2.1 trillion)

Since GDP is a pretty good proxy for spending power, i.e. how much money China can get off us, why on EARTH would they want to side with Russia? Surely China hold the key to this crisis. I am convinced if we get China fully on board, bending Putin's ear directly, this nightmare can end.

 

[Gremlin]

To speed it up Germany would have to shut down half its economy so they can stop importing Russian gas. I know I'm sat in the UK saying this but I think it's a price worth paying. They will be better off in the long run as will everyone else.

They don't need to shut down their economy, they just need to start importing vast quantities from elsewhere - probably via LNG tankers. It's going to see a vast hike in LNG prices and there will be a load of pain for the ordinary folks in Western Europe (think your energy bills are high now, just wait). However, I agree it's a price worth paying and with clever targetted government support, we can ease that pain and our economies are far larger than Russia's so we can deal with it far better. On the flip side Russia's last major earner of foreign currency would have disappeared and they will be looking at hyperinflation.

 

[BringBackSwales]

To speed it up Germany would have to shut down half its economy so they can stop importing Russian gas. I know I'm sat in the UK saying this but I think it's a price worth paying. They will be better off in the long run as will everyone else.

Their own minister of economy said last week they could do it (use existing reserves, buy gas and coal from elsewhere) but it’s clearly too expensive. How they can do that when thousands of Ukrainians are dying is sickening

 

[splinter]

Come on now, fella. You know that's just a myth invented by Russian asset Greta to distract the West.

Where is greta these days, she still on one

 

[west didsblue]

They don't need to shut down their economy, they just need to start importing vast quantities from elsewhere - probably via LNG tankers. It's going to see a vast hike in LNG prices and there will be a load of pain for the ordinary folks in Western Europe (think your energy bills are high now, just wait). However, I agree it's a price worth paying and with clever targetted government support, we can ease that pain and our economies are far larger than Russia's so we can deal with it far better. On the flip side Russia's last major earner of foreign currency would have disappeared and they will be looking at hyperinflation.

I assume it would take a finite amount of time to get the infrastructure in place to import that amount of LNG and I'm sure they're working on that now so it would be a relatively short sharp hit to their economy until that infrastructure was up and running but I think it's something they should do now rather than wait for the infrastructure to be fully operational.

 

[Gabriel]

I want this to be the case, but to use the American phrase regarding the economy there's Wall Street and Main Street. Damage to oligarchs I see more as a political move than an economic one.These robber barons got rich off Putin and they effectively acted as his support group, hurt them and that support evaporates.

But economic sanctions have such a poor record. This might not be a great analogy, but the Royal Navy blockaded Germany in the First World War, no goods came in to the country via the North Sea and the Channel for over four years, a nation with a population of 67 million in 1914. Yet it took those four years to bring Germany to her knees.

Economic sanctions are not a blockade, people will be inconvenienced but they won't starve. I do so want these economic sanctions to work, but if Putin can spin this as the evil west punishing mother Russia for trying to save fellow Russians under the boot of Ukrainian Nazis, it might work in his favour.

Difficult to gauge the zeitgeist in Russia, I suspect, but I don't know, that these sanctions are more about undercutting Putin's support base than anything else, to "inconvenience" powerful people in Russia, to motivate them, old time Chicago gangster style, to pull the plug on the man who's bad for business.

Unlike WW1 or even WW2, the level of integration today is simply incomparable. We are so dependent on others for things that it will not take long for Russians to feel the effects, all self-inflicted.

 

[Gremlin]

Their own minister of economy said last week they could do it (use existing reserves, buy gas and coal from elsewhere) but it’s clearly too expensive. How they can do that when thousands of Ukrainians are dying is sickening

The quicker they realise that this is an existential battle for Western liberal democracy and we need to be prepared to take the pain that entails, the better.