Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Octavian]

I don’t disagree with the sentiment and as you alluded to earlier, @Petrusha in here is the perfect example.
However, the removal of Putin is not going to be done by the West. It will only be done by the Russian people themselves and as such I would be in favour of hitting them culturally, sportingly and in business. Particularly if this means Russian people living outside of Russia are impacted as there is an onus on them to do something about the Putin regime. They cannot sit back comfortably and allow those that protest in their country to be carted of to a Gulag and complain about sanctions that are afflicting them.

Collectively, it is the responsibility of the Russian people to combat the misinformation or be part of it. It is the responsibility of the Russian people to condemn or condone Putin’s and their country’s actions. It is their responsibility to remove the regime by whatever means possible.
As harsh a view as this may seem, it is in my view the only way ultimately, that anything will change in Russia. Putin has to be removed from the inside. Russian people need to put the pressure on, for this to happen. Ordinary Russians will suffer. Ordinary Ukrainians are now suffering.
We will all suffer, relatively, because of sanctions. Ordinary Russians are certainly not exempt.

Edit: I just checked and worryingly @petrusha doesn’t seem to be on the forum anymore. I hope this is something temporary for his own safety.

Just seen the last part of your post. That is indeed a worry, I hope he’s alright. Russia have been taking down social media platforms and he’s probably either worried for his safety or British public forums are banned too.

I wonder if a moderator can confirm if he chose to? If that compromises him then please don’t bother obviously.

Regarding what else you’ve said, I don’t disagree and I am in favour of the sanctions - we need to make life as uncomfortable as possible for Putin by turning his people against him. I just don’t think we should start general bigotry towards Russians. If I met one out and about I wouldn’t blame him/her and harass them.

 

[cleavers]

I see the convoy to the North West of Kyiv is totally stalled. Ukrainian drones, artillery and NLAWs have taken out vehicles every so many miles and vehicles fuel has run low and supply logistics are non existent. Ukraine happy to leave it where it is.

I saw a video from a drone earlier of a "forward operating base" they had established in a warehouse just north of Kyiv getting shelled, and one got through the roof, and there was major mayhem went off under it, suggesting a fire set off ammunition, it didn't blow up, but a couple of RPG's or similar escaped from within.

I doubt it was very nice experience for anyone in there.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Very well put. And the Russians are lucky that they haven't been demonised by the enemy that they created. Ukrainian forces have treated captive Russians with dignity and respect.

or so we've been shown. I doubt they've been welcomed with open arms.

 

[Inter Me Nan]

i dont but it could make sense in the long run,those soldiers now trapped in the cities are now sitting ducks for artillery fire, maybe they should be pulling as many back towards the west and re group,re supply weapons and along with those fresh fighters coming over the Polish boarder they would have a decent progrsive push at regaining the country back all this while fresh supplies for food and weapons is coming in from behind them,a long drawn ourt war taking many years im afraid

Good point.

 

[Sir peace frog]

Very well put. And the Russians are lucky that they haven't been demonised by the enemy that they created. Ukrainian forces have treated captive Russians with dignity and respect.

I'm sure they won't be treating them with dignity or respect not sure where you got that from, but I suspect that is way off the mark

 

[birch villa]

A sniper shouldn`t miss, it`s not as if they can keep a low profile wearing those hats

Do they do em in blue n white

 

[The perfect fumble]

The main problem with Autocracy I think is that the main man makes the final decision on policy.
All very well, but if the main man is wrong the policy will still be carried out and this is because he cannot 'lose face' (show weakness).
Also his hand picked minions will blindly follow their leader, in any event, because the penalties for not doing so are severe indeed!
Basically Putin is just speaking to an echo chamber of fanboys who will not criticise him.

Not so sure that's entirely the case. An autocrat makes a statement and the statement is "I Putin have decided to invade Ukraine", but his minions, like that Security Chief he humiliated, are left guessing as to what purpose. In those circumstances flunkies don't so much blindly carry out commands, they are blind, so they try to second guess what the big man's statement really means, they try to fill in the gaps between what he says and what they think he wants, and it's all done in an atmosphere of apprehension and fear.

 

[Grassland Blue]

He did his nvq in murder working his way up the KGB. Assassinations, executions, making people go missing. Everyone is expendable and everyone who is a threat gets eradicated, he couldn’t give two shits about sending Russian assassins to use a chemical weapon on British sovereign soil, nor those poor souls who perished on a Malaysian Airlines 777 that was shot down by Russian forces.

The Russian public should be waking up and asking the question why he is imposing martial law if this military operation is going to plan. The talks he had with Macron were frightening in revealing his plans, he won’t stop until Ukraine is destroyed. I think he is prepared for world war 3, he will fuck off to some bunker in Siberia and throw the Russian people to being vaporised. His family will resurface in 30 years time when the nuclear winter dies down to look at having even larger parts of the planet to restart the human race on.

I am fairly certain that the Russians are not popular in Siberia.

 

[city2]

Where does Putin think situation will evolve once this ends, and also his own people, what will all this mean for Russia in the long term

 

[marco]

Do they do em in blue n white

the guy sat behind would be pissed off though

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Just seen the last part of your post. That is indeed a worry, I hope he’s alright. Russia have been taking down social media platforms and he’s probably either worried for his safety or British public forums are banned too.

I wonder if a moderator can confirm if he chose to? If that compromises him then please don’t bother obviously.

Regarding what else you’ve said, I don’t disagree and I am in favour of the sanctions - we need to make life as uncomfortable as possible for Putin by turning his people against him. I just don’t think we should start general bigotry towards Russians. If I met one out and about I wouldn’t blame him/her and harass them.

Would you ask him/her what he/she is actively doing about the situation?

 

[birch villa]

the guy sat behind would be pissed off though

Only for 70 mins got to catch the tram

 

[BobKowalski]

Zelensky is definitely wining the media war..

Zelensky speaking to the demonstrators in Prague

 

[hello]

Just seen the last part of your post. That is indeed a worry, I hope he’s alright. Russia have been taking down social media platforms and he’s probably either worried for his safety or British public forums are banned too.

I wonder if a moderator can confirm if he chose to? If that compromises him then please don’t bother obviously.

Regarding what else you’ve said, I don’t disagree and I am in favour of the sanctions - we need to make life as uncomfortable as possible for Putin by turning his people against him. I just don’t think we should start general bigotry towards Russians. If I met one out and about I wouldn’t blame him/her and harass them.

True but if they didn’t agree their leader is a bigger **** than ours which takes some doing i’ld certainly have words with them.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I don’t disagree with the sentiment and as you alluded to earlier, @Petrusha in here is the perfect example.
However, the removal of Putin is not going to be done by the West. It will only be done by the Russian people themselves and as such I would be in favour of hitting them culturally, sportingly and in business. Particularly if this means Russian people living outside of Russia are impacted as there is an onus on them to do something about the Putin regime. They cannot sit back comfortably and allow those that protest in their country to be carted of to a Gulag and complain about sanctions that are afflicting them.

Collectively, it is the responsibility of the Russian people to combat the misinformation or be part of it. It is the responsibility of the Russian people to condemn or condone Putin’s and their country’s actions. It is their responsibility to remove the regime by whatever means possible.
As harsh a view as this may seem, it is in my view the only way ultimately, that anything will change in Russia. Putin has to be removed from the inside. Russian people need to put the pressure on, for this to happen. Ordinary Russians will suffer. Ordinary Ukrainians are now suffering.
We will all suffer, relatively, because of sanctions. Ordinary Russians are certainly not exempt.

Edit: I just checked and worryingly @petrusha doesn’t seem to be on the forum anymore. I hope this is something temporary for his own safety.

Let’s hope he is ok.
think you are right. It won’t be ordinary Russians that take him down though. It will be the elite that he established that will bring him down.

 

[BobKowalski]

Ukranians holding up 500kg bombs with one hand...

 

[Octavian]

Would you ask him/her what he/she is actively doing about the situation?

I probably wouldn’t ask them anything or even speak to them.

 

[PragueBlue]

Zelensky is definitely wining the media war..

Zelensky speaking to the demonstrators in Prague

Not too hard a job though here. People are understandably not overly keen on Russia.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Let’s hope he is ok.
think you are right. It won’t be ordinary Russians that take him down though. It will be the elite that he established that will bring him down.

Agreed, but it will be ordinary Russian’s opinions that will be needed to turn them.
Russians abroad have a responsibility.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Ukranians holding up 500kg bombs with one hand...

Who's driving the crane..??