Russian invasion of Ukraine

[cleavers]

Russia are making these nuclear plants their priority in this invasion.

Yes, because it gives them control over the power grid, and they can then starve/freeze the people, and get control of them.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Russia are making these nuclear plants their priority in this invasion.

What do you think they might do with them ? Control the power supply or blow them up? Although I'd suggest that the latter might be a counter productive measure, especially as they've got so many Gruntski's on the ground

 

[Slipper One]

You should give the anti-EU rhetoric a rest for once. Or do it on the politics forum.

....and what about the pro-Government, anti-Government, pro-EU, pro-Johnson, anti-Johnson, pro-Russian, anti-Russian and so it goes on?

There are a huge number of opposing views and opinions on this thread alone, perhaps that's why so many contribute and it's heading towards 1200 pages.

Within reason, any opinion should be open for posting.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Where’s Uwe Rosler’s grandad when you need him?

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

What do you think they might do with them ? Control the power supply or blow them up? Although I'd suggest that the latter might be a counter productive measure, especially as they've got so many Gruntski's on the ground

It’d be akin to blowing up your neighbours house in the full knowledge that it’d kill you and your family in the process.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

It’d be akin to blowing up your neighbours house in the full knowledge that it’d kill you and your family in the process.

He's got to be trolling. Little wonder he's barred from every forum, south of the Watford gap.

 

[St.Pauli support]

If that is indeed true, I find it really disappointing........almost like a stab in the back for the Ukrainians. And many are so quick to criticize the UK Govt and what they are doing!!

With friends like these, who needs enemies.

Careful.
They'll be checked, the bloody moulded boxes replaced and even if 700 of these 2,700 were sorted out - would you prefer 2,000 old russian-type anti-aircraft missiles should not be delivered?
I wouldn't want to sit in a Russian helicopter facing those.
If they are useless we won't deliver. As if Germany wouldn't use every single chance to kick Putin in his bollocks as hard as we can.

 

[BringBackSwales]

In your simplistic world it probably is that simple, but this war will come to an end and life and business will continue afterwards.

I'm sure Germany would love to completely cut oil and gas supplies from Russia, but if this finishes next week, then there would be implications following a decision like that.

I've never run a government, or had any inclination to do so. To make a rough analogy relevant to me, even if I had adequate savings in the bank for 12 months living, I wouldn't quit my job, however much I disliked it and tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine. Never burn your bridges, it's THAT simple.

Whose “simplistic world”? You are extremely patronising and arrogant The death and destruction in Ukraine ABSOLUTELY transcends money, I find it absolutely shocking that a senior German minister can admit that they could do without russian energy but they choose not to due to cost. What cost thousands of lost lives, tens of millions of displaced people and a ruined country? Your analogy doesn’t come close to the death and suffering of an entire nation. I would add that it’s not just the Germans, the sanctions from the UK have been inadequate too.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

worrying that Putin sees western sanctions as virtually declaring war.

 

[hilts]

....and what about the pro-Government, anti-Government, pro-EU, pro-Johnson, anti-Johnson, pro-Russian, anti-Russian and so it goes on?

There are a huge number of opposing views and opinions on this thread alone, perhaps that's why so many contribute and it's heading towards 1200 pages.

Within reason, any opinion should be open for posting.

I would imagine any pro EU posts(there have been a few) will pass without comment by certain posters. Opinions are fine as long as they are the right opinion.

Anyhow I was wondering if we are concerned that any outside help, in terms of countries stepping foot in ukraine to fight the Russians, would lead Putin the impotent into nuclear fuckwittery what do we think he will do if we turn his country economically into a failed state and the Ukrainians hang on to their country and make him look like a failure.

If we are worried he will deploy armageddon if we get involved militarily to fuck em why wouldn't he if we sanction his country to poverty whilst supplying arms to the Ukrainians to fuck em.

It's hard to see an end game here that doesn't result in finding out if he is bluffing or not.

 

[Bluemoon115]

It's hard to see an end game here that doesn't result in finding out if he is bluffing or not.

That is a frightening possibility/probability.

 

[jaseirai]

Careful.
They'll be checked, the bloody moulded boxes replaced and even if 700 of these 2,700 were sorted out - would you prefer 2,000 old russian-type anti-aircraft missiles should not be delivered?
I wouldn't want to sit in a Russian helicopter facing those.
If they are useless we won't deliver. As if Germany wouldn't use every single chance to kick Putin in his bollocks as hard as we can.

They are DDR/Soviet era useless weapons. Clearly it is more important to prioritise VW exports.

 

[BringBackSwales]

worrying that Putin sees western sanctions as virtually declaring war.

It’s all part of his aggressive bullying tactics in my opinion mate. He has got used to the west backing off, he knows he can commit genocide and get away with it (Georgia, Syria, Chechnia, Ukraine), he can threaten nuclear escalation and get away with it, threaten no fly zones as an act of war and get away with it, and from what you say he has now said the same about sanctions. We can’t keep backing off as it will make him more and more sure he can do what he wants. We need to draw some lines. I agree it’s worrying times though

 

[St.Pauli support]

Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba
stated the UA National Bank received the following donations within the 1st week of Russian invasion:
€338m, $74.5m and £4m.

Next round please.

 

[cleavers]

Careful.
They'll be checked, the bloody moulded boxes replaced and even if 700 of these 2,700 were sorted out - would you prefer 2,000 old russian-type anti-aircraft missiles should not be delivered?
I wouldn't want to sit in a Russian helicopter facing those.
If they are useless we won't deliver. As if Germany wouldn't use every single chance to kick Putin in his bollocks as hard as we can.

Are they in Leipzig ? If so there's a huge Ukraine transport plane just landed there from Constanta in Romania.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

worrying that Putin sees western sanctions as virtually declaring war.

He's hardly going to see it as a lunch date, tbf.

 

[domalino]

I'm sure Germany would love to completely cut oil and gas supplies from Russia, but if this finishes next week, then there would be implications following a decision like that.

The Germans will 100% divest from Russia now.

It was already a hot topic in German politics, now that the predictions from the anti-Russian-reliance camp have come true, they will be away from it in a decade.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Cheers fellas. So he is still scared of being around people then.

Especially women.

 

[BringBackSwales]

If they are useless we won't deliver. As if Germany wouldn't use every single chance to kick Putin in his bollocks as hard as we can.

Apart from continuing to buy their gas and oil

 

[domalino]

worrying that Putin sees western sanctions as virtually declaring war.

Man who thinks everything is an act of war sees something as act of war!