737-8 max plane goes down (2018) - new not Max crash Indonesia

cleavers said:
At least you have the perspective of knowing about it being a pilot, whilst the majority on here are just "passengers". I've been interested in aviation since I was a kid, and have worked pretty much all of my working life in things related to aviation, at numerous airports, and military bases, but the input in a thread like this, as a pilot, is much appreciated.
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‘I dIDn’t kNow we hAvE sO manY eXpeRTs on hERe ‘
 
manimanc said:
I'm thinking the pilot did it on purpose.

It's a straight nose dive into the ground, surely if the plane was out of control it would be a bit more levelled out?
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No reason to think that. Who knows what bits of the aircraft were intact and what the aerodynamic characteristics of what was left would be without knowing much more? Something catastrophic clearly happened in cruise and most of the aircraft stayed intact until it hit the ground. That's about as much as we know.
 
manimanc said:
I'm thinking the pilot did it on purpose.

It's a straight nose dive into the ground, surely if the plane was out of control it would be a bit more levelled out?
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Isn't that exactly what people said about the previous crashes until we found out it was the MCAS system forcing the nose down?
 
Piece of debris found in a field 6 miles from crash site believed to possibly be from plane.

finance.yahoo.com

China Plane Crash Update: Search Continues for Second Black Box

(Bloomberg) -- The search for the flight data recorder of the crashed China Eastern Airlines Corp. jet continued Friday, as authorities try to piece together what caused the Boeing Co. 737-800 NG to nosedive from the sky and into a hillside in southern China’s Guangxi region four days ago. Most...
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Flight data indicates someone in the cockpit intentionally crashed a China Eastern jet earlier this year, according to people familiar with U.S. officials’ preliminary assessment of what led to the accident.

The Boeing 737-800 was cruising at high altitude when it suddenly pitched into a near-vertical descent, plummeting into a mountain at extreme speed. Data from a black box recovered in the crash suggests inputs to the controls pushed the plane into the fatal dive, these people said.

“The plane did what it was told to do by someone in the cockpit,” said a person who is familiar with American officials’ preliminary assessment, which includes an analysis of information extracted from the plane’s damaged flight-data recorder.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-eastern-black-box-points-to-intentional-nosedive-11652805097
 
west didsblue said:
Flight data indicates someone in the cockpit intentionally crashed a China Eastern jet earlier this year, according to people familiar with U.S. officials’ preliminary assessment of what led to the accident.

The Boeing 737-800 was cruising at high altitude when it suddenly pitched into a near-vertical descent, plummeting into a mountain at extreme speed. Data from a black box recovered in the crash suggests inputs to the controls pushed the plane into the fatal dive, these people said.

“The plane did what it was told to do by someone in the cockpit,” said a person who is familiar with American officials’ preliminary assessment, which includes an analysis of information extracted from the plane’s damaged flight-data recorder.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-eastern-black-box-points-to-intentional-nosedive-11652805097
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Didn’t someone state that was the least likely outcome?
 
west didsblue said:
That was @ChicagoBlue although I have to say I agreed with him.

It's scary to imagine what was going on in the flight deck if one pilot was fighting to stop the other pilot killing everyone.
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More sinister than that.
It is reported that there were three pilots on the flight deck and the airline report that there were no indications that any of the three had financial problems.
Clearly financial problems must been seen as a reason for suicide.
 
west didsblue said:
That was @ChicagoBlue although I have to say I agreed with him.

It's scary to imagine what was going on in the flight deck if one pilot was fighting to stop the other pilot killing everyone.
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Least likely doesn’t mean never! One thing about aviation is “Never Say Never!” :-(

The problem with vertical entry is that it is hard to even create using the flight controls, due to air loads, unless the tail has been ripped off the airplane. Maybe that was the case?!

I’d love to hear a translation of what is on the CVR!
 
Went on our first Max last week.

I think the name “Max” must come from the fact that you have to set your seatbelt on the maximum setting. Seemed a bit less space than your average 737 or Airbus.

Of course this is minor compared to the safety concerns.
 
I’m always shocked at people filming what could be total devastation my cheeks would gliding quicker than the plane.
 
Interesting that the section that tore away is where the option of an extra door is. Alaska aircraft don’t have this door, so it suggests that the skin - or whatever they cover the door space with - isn’t strong enough.
 
RobMCFC said:
Interesting that the section that tore away is where the option of an extra door is. Alaska aircraft don’t have this door, so it suggests that the skin - or whatever they cover the door space with - isn’t strong enough.
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I fly Alaska Airlines a lot, I’ve been on some pretty shoddy planes in the past.
 
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