Liverpool (H) | Post match thread

If you watch a reply he takes a bad touch which puts the ball behind him so he has to adjust and is not quite at the right angle for the perfect shot or pass.
His lob did get deflected over too which may have made a difference.
I have watched it, many times, to capture those frames, and I have posted the one *just* before he attempts the chip to show the pass to Foden (or the sweep pass in to the far post) were very much the easier of the potential options, and far more likely to result in a goal.


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I found a dipper today that was not deluded. He was very sheepish about their chances to beat us to anything this season. Admitted that we played them off the park. I was ready to rip him a new 1 but he was that deflated I did not have to.

Slightly disappointed tbh. What has happened to the opposition? somewhat floundering after 1 disappointing performance. I told him to stop reading fake stories about how good the dippers are portrayed and how shit and lucky city have been to compete with the greatest team created. Anyway, I left with the moral high ground as I only called him a murdering twat once and asked him to prepare to get battered on Saturday. Think he was glad to get back to work…which was another surprise lol.
 
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In a way I’m wondering if a draw was a better result for us, hear me out! Four points clear and let’s be honest it’s over, they know it, we know it. Phew, relief all around. Players happy they can now coast in the league, but its then hard to just switch on for cup games. This way everything is up for grabs, no coasting or switching off in any game. Just a thought.
I doubt any Blue in the known universe would have been saying "I wonder if a draw would have been a better result as it would keep us focussed" had we actually won the game.
Stop the fucking excuses.
We won all our late season games three years ago because we had a top-class striker. We'll struggle to do it this time because we dominate without winning. - That doesn't mean we won't win the PL of course, but I reckon we need seven wins from seven as I don't see the dippers dropping points. - Or being allowed to drop points.
 
I wondered what he was trying to achieve launching it long like that.
i always dread him kicking it long without any purpose.
he did it against palace a few years back. Which resulted in them grabbing a winner late on.
we should have defended better afterwards but it was a cheap giveaway
How can you "dread" it if it's only caused a goal twice in a few seasons? And that's only if you consider it led directly to a goal.
 
A few have claimed that the previous frame I posted showing the options available to Riyad for the potential game-winning chance at the end of the match was misleading, and that he couldn’t actually make the pass to Foden or sweep it in to the far post.

So here is a frame from *just* before he sends it in the stands with lines for what he did (red) and what he could have done (yellow).

I am not sure how anyone could argue that playing Foden in was not the easier of the two options, and mostly certainly an all but certain game winner.

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Wonder if there’s a similar angle for the Raz offside goal somewhere in the sky vaults
 
How can you "dread" it if it's only caused a goal twice in a few seasons? And that's only if you consider it led directly to a goal.
Because it is the best chance the opposition have of winning the ball. And then playing through us.
 
I doubt any Blue in the known universe would have been saying "I wonder if a draw would have been a better result as it would keep us focussed" had we actually won the game.
Stop the fucking excuses.
We won all our late season games three years ago because we had a top-class striker. We'll struggle to do it this time because we dominate without winning. - That doesn't mean we won't win the PL of course, but I reckon we need seven wins from seven as I don't see the dippers dropping points. - Or being allowed to drop points.
Who’s making excuses you splat. Btw I am East Stand L3, maybe I can buy you a beer or pour one over your head :-)
 
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Maybe it’s that City are just…better than you?
If you go toe to toe against City, we’ll be the better team, we’ve got to much in our armoury. We struggle against teams that prioritise sitting back but are also effective with their pressing at the right times. See Chelsea three times last season, specifically the final in Porto. Still sit back deep, but also prepared to press our players in key areas to win the ball back high enough making it hard for our players to recover. Klopp will need to change their tactics against Pep as over the last few years, Pep has worked out how to play against him.
 
I have watched it, many times, to capture those frames, and I have posted the one *just* before he attempts the chip to show the pass to Foden (or the sweep pass in to the far post) were very much the easier of the potential options, and far more likely to result in a goal.


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This still frame isn’t really fair on him though, as in the split second that is still to run before he actually kicks the ball, the opening for the pass shuts that little bit more. He was right to shoot but the execution let him down.
 
This still frame isn’t really fair on him though, as in the split second that is still to run before he actually kicks the ball, the opening for the pass shuts that little bit more. He was right to shoot but the execution let him down.
Passing to Foden was his best option, slotting it to alissons right was also easier than a chip. That would have been the loudest cheer we’ve heard since May 2012. Ah well, we go on.
 
The easiest ball of the day wasn’t played.
When Riyad had the ball in the last seconds of the match, he was directly facing Foden, who would have been clean through if the ball was played. But Mahrez turned away and tried the hardest option as he does to often.
Play the simple ball and we win the game!
Looking at it again, I wonder if Mahrez had VAR in mind and wasn't taking the chance that Phil might be offside.
 
There is, IIRC, actually a ruling that says that offside should be judged at the moment when the player making the pass actually makes contact with the ball for his pass, not when the ball is released.

So why is it that on the NBC freeze frame, like the one sky used after Raheem scored, at the point he plays the ball Kevin's right leg is more or less upright, but on the freeze frame used by VAR his leg is extended and the ball is, as many have said, elongated due to the freeze frame. In other words, it's not when his foot makes contact with the ball, it's as it leaves it.

So why did VAR use the wrong frame? To my mind that can only be deliberate.
He still looks off on the earlier frame (if the vertical line does the same).
 
This still frame isn’t really fair on him though, as in the split second that is still to run before he actually kicks the ball, the opening for the pass shuts that little bit more. He was right to shoot but the execution let him down.
On balance he took the wrong option. But those freeze frames are often misleading. It’s amazing how quickly defenders close down those gaps. I generally don’t blame attacking players for taking on the shot themselves rather than passing it to a teamate who isn’t clearly open. It was just a poor shot
 
I thought City were the better team by a margin yesterday and it certainly wasn't the close contest we are now being told it was. Much that was said about Liverpool proved not to be the case. Jorgen Klopp's fabled gegenpress was never seen which meant that City were frequently able to hit the space behind Liverpool's high-line back four while their famous front three never really put any sustained pressure on our back line. And our midfield is so much cleverer than theirs; Rodri reads the game so well, KdB runs with the ball, passes it and causes chaos more and better than anyone else and Bernardo is such an intelligent workaholic. They were simply too good for their Liverpool counterparts and the gap became clearer as the game progressed. A t least one, arguably two of them should have seen red. But it was up front that Liverpool were supposed to have the potential to win the match and I suppose that 2 goals from 6 attempts is rather better than 2 from 11, but this does our front three scant justice. Liverpool's may finish better, may live off scraps better but the contribution of our front three to our team play is so much better. Phil is a delight: his close control is exquisite and his feet delightfully quick. He is certainly not a poor finisher but his play is so creative. Raz is not the best finisher in the world, certainly not the worst and he doesn't allow defenders to rest for a second. And Gabby! It seems harsh to say finishing is his weakness after the goal he got yesterday but Gabby kept his back penned back yesterday and Liverpool do rely on their backs getting forward.
 

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