It's Quiet 17 - Glory Thread

[MCityFC]

Grealish going forward will be more valuable than Sterling...we can revisit this again down the road...

Its bizarre that people are defending Sterling's lack of quality by using Grealish as their weapon of choice.
The two players are at opposite ends of their City careers,and neither are they remotely alike in terms of style,contribution,or personality - The Cult of Raheem has taken on a new level entirely!

Raheem (27 years old)
15/16 11g 10a
16/17 10g 20a (1st w/Pep, everyone struggles;))
17/18 23g 17a
18/19 25g 17a (signed his extension Nov. 2018)
19/20 31g 10a
20/21 14g 12a
21/22 14g 7a

Grealish (26 years old)
15/16 3g 2a
16/17 5g 5a
17/18 6g 8a
18/19 6g 8a
19/20 10g 8a
20/21 7g 12a
21/22 5g 3a

G/A are in all competitions. Btw, I saw a post say Raheem’s had 2 good seasons at City and the rest have been average… LOL

My point about the wages was simply to compare what the players had done in their previous couple seasons to earn the big wages they are on because apparently Raheem’s wages are undeserved. If Raheem’s wages are undeserved, so are Jack’s. That was my point. I want nothing but the best for Jack. He’s a blue. I’m not rooting against him. Jack (like Raheem) should look better and improve his output with a center forward. However, you’re right they are not alike in terms of style, contribution, or personality so I don’t expect Jack to be more valuable (on the pitch) than Raheem has been for this club. And that’s perfectly fine.

 

[samuelyeboah]

It might also be worth considering how defensively teams play against us than 3/4 years ago. Grealish has also put plenty of chances on a plate for numerous players and the chances have been missed. I imagine if a striker was on the end of those chances, it would be an assist for Jack.
I’m not saying Grealish has been outstanding, but worth looking at the bigger picture.

teams played defensively against us in 18/19 as well.

 

[Gaz (FMwkdsoul)]

It might also be worth considering how defensively teams play against us than 3/4 years ago. Grealish has also put plenty of chances on a plate for numerous players and the chances have been missed. I imagine if a striker was on the end of those chances, it would be an assist for Jack.
I’m not saying Grealish has been outstanding, but worth looking at the bigger picture.

Quick though on this comparing Jack first season on the wing to Bernardos.(probably the most comparable style wise than the rest?)

 

[Dribble]

I agree , had his best season to date and people still want rid.

And want rafael Leao to replace him, fucking Rafael Leao hahahaha what is it with shiny new toys

anyway his mrs is pregnant and all her family are based in Cheshire I don’t think mahrez will be going anywhere.

Admittedly I've only seen a little of Leao, but he's not in the same league as Mahrez from what I've seen.

Perhaps others have seen summat I haven't...

 

[oldius]

mahrez finished his first season with 12 goals and 12 assists in 2500 minutes. grealish has 5 goals and 3 assists in 2400 so far. the fact people are comparing the 2 debut seasons is insane.

So is the repeated, nauseous interrogation of Grealish's every frigging move - he's doing alright and our team is top of the league and in the CL semi-final. Why on earth do we need to analyse him to death as if stats are the only judgement necessary?

 

[willipp]

So is the repeated, nauseous interrogation of Grealish's every frigging move - he's doing alright and our team is top of the league and in the CL semi-final. Why on earth do we need to analyse him to death as if stats are the only judgement necessary?

I couldn't agree with this more. We have the greatest side this club has ever had and many would say the PL has ever seen. Yet many of our fans absolute rip Grealish, Sterling, Mahrez to shreds. If they were that bad, we wouldn't be close to the position we are in.

 

[Gumzy97]

Grealish will have the second highest assists in the team next season. Watch him change when a striker comes in. He was in the top 3 for chances created and assists in his last season at Villa with a striker.

 

[Gaz (FMwkdsoul)]

Grealish will have the second highest assists in the team next season. Watch him change when a striker comes in. He was in the top 3 for chances created and assists in his last season at Villa with a striker.

I think he'll become more noticeable as the 'calm' foot on the ball in the mid/forward line as we see less gametime of Gundo as well.

Kev, Sterling & Foden - up the tempo
Silva, Grealish & Mahrez - calm it down

nice balance in the mix

 

[york away to this!]

I thought this was the "it's quiet" thread?...

 

[K-Bo]

I dunno I think there might be a couple of tempting offers for Mahrez given age and contract situation. We don't seem in a particular rush to renew and unlike some of the others guys running down deals, he's on record wanting to stay and yet. and we could see offers of 30/40 odd.

 

[Pollocksheader]

mahrez finished his first season with 12 goals and 12 assists in 2500 minutes. grealish has 5 goals and 3 assists in 2400 so far. the fact people are comparing the 2 debut seasons is insane.

Stats tell half a story. Mahrez was very frustrating. I’m going to hazard a guess he was on some set pieces too. If numbers alone get you hard stick countdown on

 

[Legal Alien]

There is a situation where we might possibly lose all three this summer, it’s the last summer City can get money for these players, Mahrez has a lot of clubs interested in him being the age he is City probably would sell if 40 to 50 mil was offered. PSG is the one I’d look out for according to French press they want Mahrez to replace Di Maria.

Gabriel Jesus is one foot out the door if you want to believe the reliable Arsenal sources I saw one that said they might offer 35 to 40 mil i think city accepts that. I also think he goes if we can’t promise him constant starts as it’s a world cup year.

Raz is the difficult one but AC Milan have concrete interest and want a Marquee signing Raz fits that Marquee signing for them. We probably wouldn’t charge them a huge sum either due to contract length. Barca have long standing interest as Xavi is a fan. If City came out and said Raz was for sale there would be a lot of clubs knocking on our door. He’s in really bad form but he’s still an England international/starter, that has a good goal scoring record throughout his career there would be interest from clubs in Europe.

Not having a go, but i don't understand these valuations.

If Mahrez is worth what you say, then why would we give Jesus away for such a low fee? He is a lot younger, has been playing for the best team in England and has a better workrate than the others mentioned. I don't get it.

Also, Sterling is an established City and England player, so i would expect at least our money back on him, even with one year left on his deal.
We paid a "premium" for Grealish because he was English and Raheem is twice the player he is, yet we will sell for half the price!

I know this is what's been speculated in the papers but for context, the same papers suggest Ivan Toney of Brentford, fucking Brentford, is worth £50m!

I don't like that we always seemed to get fleeced as a buying club, but have to give our players away if we sell.

For the record, If there was one player i'd keep out of those three it would be Jesus.

 

[samuelyeboah]

Stats tell half a story. Mahrez was very frustrating. I’m going to hazard a guess he was on some set pieces too. If numbers alone get you hard stick countdown on

you're saying it as if grealish isn't also very frustrating.

 

[decmancity]

Not having a go, but i don't understand these valuations.

If Mahrez is worth what you say, then why would we give Jesus away for such a low fee? He is a lot younger, has been playing for the best team in England and has a better workrate than the others mentioned. I don't get it.

Also, Sterling is an established City and England player, so i would expect at least our money back on him, even with one year left on his deal.
We paid a "premium" for Grealish because he was English and Raheem is twice the player he is, yet we will sell for half the price!

I know this is what's been speculated in the papers but for context, the same papers suggest Ivan Toney of Brentford, fucking Brentford, is worth £50m!

I don't like that we always seemed to get fleeced as a buying club, but have to give our players away if we sell.

For the record, If there was one player i'd keep out of those three it would be Jesus.

Football valuations aren't an exact science so fees are going to be all over the place till the end of time.

Jesus, Sterling and Mahrez are all coming to the end of their contracts. They have all been "ammortized" so any money we get back is money in the bank. You don't them all go for free and leave millions on the table.

Most top clubs in the world don't want Sterling or Jesus or perhaps even Mahrez so we are asking these three to take a step down in their career. For a club to even get close to tempting them they will need to offer big wages and not many clubs can do that whilst also paying us 50m.

 

[talkativesprout]

I'm trying to work out why the first 10 row are £35 a year more expensive than the rest of the rows behind them. I guess i'm paying for the seats lost when they went double advertising boards pitchside

 

[Deleted member 87819]

I'm trying to work out why the first 10 row are £35 a year more expensive than the rest of the rows behind them. I guess i'm paying for the seats lost when they went double advertising boards pitchside

Wrong thread pal

 

[JewelZee]

Not so sure, after the recent derby in which Grealish was superb he has sadly gone backwards, in the most important period of the season he is contributing little, he has SO far been a major disappointment.

I just think he's deferring to his teammates way too much...maybe he's worried about fitting in, not rocking the boat...at the same time pressing a bit, trying not to screw up...those of you on here saying the guy can't play gain very little credibility...let's see how he does as he climbs up the squad's pecking order...if the team were struggling and relying heavily on him I could understand some of the frustration...but we're a game from going back to the CL final and still the frontrunners in the league...people killing the guy non-stop...let the Reds' supporters knock our guys...who cares if your wife or girl wants to bang him...not like its really going happen...

 

[decmancity]

mahrez finished his first season with 12 goals and 12 assists in 2500 minutes. grealish has 5 goals and 3 assists in 2400 so far. the fact people are comparing the 2 debut seasons is insane.

Mahrez was known for being a goal scorer and creator, as well as leading Leicester to a premier league title. What is the relevance comparing him with Grealish?

 

[samuelyeboah]

Mahrez was known for being a goal scorer and creator, as well as leading Leicester to a premier league title. What is the relevance comparing him with Grealish?

they play in the same position, for start? opposite foot winger. up to the arrival of grealish, all of our wingers (mahrez, sterling, sane, foden, torres) were expected to chime in for goals and assists. for some reason that's not the expectation for grealish, and if you ask me, it's not because he's not expected to, but because he hasn't provided them.

 

[JewelZee]

they play in the same position, for start? opposite foot winger. up to the arrival of grealish, all of our wingers (mahrez, sterling, sane, foden, torres) were expected to chime in for goals and assists. for some reason that's not the expectation for grealish, and if you ask me, it's not because he's not expected to, but because he hasn't provided them.

Just curious...why do you think that is?